Holy Communion In The Hand & under both kinds

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Holy Communion In The Hand & under both kinds
Topic Started: Wednesday, 20. February 2008, 10:55 (1,862 Views)
Clare	Wednesday, 20. February 2008, 10:55 Post #1
Wacko Schismatic Traditionalist Woman Posts: 3,035 Group: Members Member #70 Joined: March 27, 2007	John Sweeney Feb 19 2008, 11:34 PM Clare and Fortunatus I have never heard anyone saying "That is what they did in the early Church" The reason I haven't heard anyone saying that is because nobody discusses it or is interested in it. I've heard it a lot. I'm sure it's been said on this forum. Communion in the hand. Bidding prayers. Retrograde steps! The Church had moved on.
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KatyA	Friday, 22. February 2008, 23:50 Post #2
Administrator Posts: 5,199 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	Msgr. Ranjith has given an interview to Petrus The interview is in Italian and a translation has been provided by Gregor Kollmorgen onNew Liturgical Movement blog He covers a number of subjects, including reverence for Holy Communion Quote: Volpe: Your Excellency, let us come to the question of Communion in the hand: What do you think about it? Ranjith: I 'simply' believe that this practice needs to be reviewed. How to do it? To begin with, a good catechesis. You know, unfortunately, many are not even aware of Whom they receive in the Communion, that is Christ, and so approach the Eucharistic banquet with scarce concentration and very little respect. Volpe: Specifically, what needs to be done? Ranjith: We need to recover the sense of the sacred. I speak only for myself, but I am convinced of the urgency of reviewing the practice of Communion given in the hand, returning to giving the particle to the faithful directly in the mouth, without them touching it, reinforcing thereby that in the Eucharist there is really Jesus and that everyone must receive Him with devotion, love and respect. Volpe: Would it not be appropriate to return to kneeling at the moment of Communion? Ranjith: I think so. This gesture would represent a true act of respect towards the gift and the mystery of the Eucharist. KatyA



CARLO	Wednesday, 27. February 2008, 23:15 Post #3
Posts: 1,648 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: September 28, 2006	Letters in the Catholic Herald (UK Catholic Weekly) last week and this week from Priests calling for the return of Communion on the tongue and kneeling down. All the obvious reasons. Read all about it! Pax Peace CARLO
	Judica me Deus


Derekap	Thursday, 28. February 2008, 21:57 Post #4
Posts: 3,357 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	When placing the Host on the tongue the fingers can become moist from the person's saliva. This can result in the next Host sticking to the fingers and remaining when moving the hand away - then It may drop on the floor. This apart from passing the saliva of one person onto the other. Before someone else mentions it, I know the Communicants' hands may not be very clean. I think the most important factor is the reverence of the Distributor and Communicant. I don't think the act of reception on the tongue is any more respectful than in the hand.
	Derekap


Lilo	Thursday, 28. February 2008, 22:06 Post #5
Posts: 743 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: December 3, 2007	Derekap Feb 28 2008, 02:57 PM When placing the Host on the tongue the fingers can become moist from the person's saliva. This can result in the next Host sticking to the fingers and remaining when moving the hand away - then It may drop on the floor. This apart from passing the saliva of one person onto the other. Derek, It sounds like you don't receive on the tongue very often. Priests who give Communion that way regularly become very good at it. And a priest who is really concerned about the issues you raise can make his life easier simply by ordering slightly larger hosts.
	The root problem in a lot of bad catechesis is ultimately not ignorance, but pride. ~ Mark Shea


Derekap	Thursday, 28. February 2008, 22:35 Post #6
Posts: 3,357 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	I wrote my experience as a former EMHC.
	Derekap


Lilo	Thursday, 28. February 2008, 22:53 Post #7
Posts: 743 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: December 3, 2007	Derekap Feb 28 2008, 03:35 PM I wrote my experience as a former EMHC. . . . who did not distribute on the tongue very often?
	The root problem in a lot of bad catechesis is ultimately not ignorance, but pride. ~ Mark Shea


Derekap	Friday, 29. February 2008, 21:14 Post #8
Posts: 3,357 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	". . . who did not distribute on the tongue very often?" During Holy Mass on a Saturday Evening or Sunday there were always a few who received Holy Communion on the tongue. If more did so then the incident I mentioned would have happened more often surely?
	Derekap


Rose of York	Friday, 29. February 2008, 22:49 Post #9
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Derekap Feb 28 2008, 09:57 PM When placing the Host on the tongue the fingers can become moist from the person's saliva. This can result in the next Host sticking to the fingers and remaining when moving the hand away - then It may drop on the floor. This apart from passing the saliva of one person onto the other. Before someone else mentions it, I know the Communicants' hands may not be very clean. I think the most important factor is the reverence of the Distributor and Communicant. I don't think the act of reception on the tongue is any more respectful than in the hand. I have read similar postings to that, on a few Catholic forums.
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Rose of York	Friday, 29. February 2008, 22:50 Post #10
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Derekap Feb 28 2008, 09:57 PM When placing the Host on the tongue the fingers can become moist from the person's saliva. This can result in the next Host sticking to the fingers and remaining when moving the hand away - then It may drop on the floor. This apart from passing the saliva of one person onto the other. Before someone else mentions it, I know the Communicants' hands may not be very clean. I think the most important factor is the reverence of the Distributor and Communicant. I don't think the act of reception on the tongue is any more respectful than in the hand. I have read similar postings to that, on a few Catholic forums.
	$Posted Image$ Catholic and proud of it! Talk to God before Mass. Talk to each other afterwards


Paduan	Friday, 29. February 2008, 23:36 Post #11
Posts: 205 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: December 2, 2007	I have been an EMHC at a busy city parish (lunch hour masses with attendance often in 100's) and I can corroborate the experience of administering Communion directly on the tongue to many people. Many a time I was terrified the Consecrated Host was going to drop when tongues were not extended enough or they waggled at an inopportune moment, etc. Of course this situation could have been alleviated if we had also had enough Altar Servers who would then have enabled a return to the practice of standing ready with the Communion Plate to be held under the chins of communicants. That way the minister (ordinary or otherwise) would need to be less worried about gravity and could keep fingers away from tongues a little more comfortably. Sadly, in my experience, not only do we have a distinct lack of priests (and vocations thereto) these days, but the supply of Altar Servers is also drying up. While this situation remains I think it's unreasonable to insist on reception only on the tongue, even if this were to be declared the ideal.
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Joan M	Friday, 29. February 2008, 23:45 Post #12
Posts: 61 Group: Members Member #111 Joined: December 4, 2007	For centuries people received only on the tongue. Now, after only about 40 years of permitting reception in the hand, there appears to be almost horror over receiving on the tongue. Priests in those hundreds of years had no problem distributing Communion. In my own experience of being an EMHC, because I was well trained, I had no problem either. If the proper technique is used it is most unlikely that you would get saliva on your finger or thumb.
	Peace and love, Joan. The world thrives on lies even twenty centuries after the Truth came among men. The Forge, 130. St. Josemaria Escriva.


KatyA	Saturday, 1. March 2008, 11:29 Post #13
Administrator Posts: 5,199 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	Fr John Trigilio adds to the debate on his blog http://blackbiretta.blogspot.com/ Quote: Just as Communion in the Hand was banned in the Middle Ages after abuses became prolific, it may very well need to be re-banned again. While currently a legitimate option in many American dioceses, the Roman Pontiff can easily revise that prior decision of his predecessor. If the modern liturgists are so convinced that their 'preference' of receiving 'in the hand' is so beneficial, why not put their theory to the test? Observe parishes where one method is the overwhelming preference of the entire congregation (and parish). I maintain that places where people receive Holy Communion on the tongue rather than in the hand tend to show more respect and reverence for the REAL PRESENCE. I have to admit that it took me a long time to come to terms with Communion in the hand; indeed I only began to accept this practice after reading "The Mass of the Early Christians" by Mike Aquilina in which he describes the position of the hands as "preparing a throne" for the King. Sometimes it is difficult not to notice the casual way in which some people receive in the hand, but I think that may well be due to lack of proper instruction. KatyA



Rose of York	Saturday, 1. March 2008, 13:37 Post #14
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	What is dirtier, freshly washed hands or a mouth full of bacteria? Reverence is in the heart and soul.
	$Posted Image$ Catholic and proud of it! Talk to God before Mass. Talk to each other afterwards


Lilo	Sunday, 2. March 2008, 02:59 Post #15
Posts: 743 Group: Members Member #109 Joined: December 3, 2007	Looks like others are having much the same discussion - I must have missed this when my computer was down. Vatican official suggests reconsidering Communion in the hand Vatican, Feb. 1, 2008 (CWNews.com) - The secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship has called for reconsideration of the practice of Communion in the hand. . . reception of Communion in the hand has contributed to a general sense of "carelessness" about the Eucharist, as well as some flagrant abuses. . . . The practice of receiving Communion in the hand was not mandated by Vatican II, nor was it introduced in response to calls from the laity . . .
	The root problem in a lot of bad catechesis is ultimately not ignorance, but pride. ~ Mark Shea


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