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| Topic Started: Tuesday, 3. April 2007, 13:08 (169 Views) | |
| CARLO | Friday, 6. April 2007, 21:08 Post #16 |
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Joseph I'm glad you have a Priest and a Deacon but what on earth is going on? Sounds like the green cardigan brigade are ruling the roost! We had an all-female choir!!! :angry: De profundis Out of the depths CARLO |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 6. April 2007, 21:20 Post #17 |
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Our church was a parish, it is now a chapel of ease. A church about ten miles beyond that one is still a parish (until next month when it too becomes a chapel of ease) Neither of those churches has the Easter Triduum. We are thankful for small mercies, ie Mass on Sundays and Holidays of Obligation and a team of EMHCs some of whom travel considerable distances to ensure people unable to get to any of the churches do at least have the opportunity to receive Holy Communion, receive the newsletter, pcc minutes and the familiar face of a fellow parishioner every Sunday. |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 6. April 2007, 21:21 Post #18 |
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CARLO Join the choir. When they (the choir, not the individual ladies) get one man, others may follow. |
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| CARLO | Friday, 6. April 2007, 21:28 Post #19 |
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Rose Sadly all the men have left. Only 3 years ago there were plenty of men in the choir. In contrast altar boys have made a big come back in my Parish. Three years ago altar girls dominated - today they were vastly outnumbered by the boys. Perhaps these things go in cycles? :unsure: Domine exaudi vocem meam Lord hear my voice CARLO |
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| CARLO | Friday, 6. April 2007, 21:32 Post #20 |
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Come on down to my Parish my doubting Derek and you can put your fingers into the holes of the fence panels! As for the cross carried by the Holy Father it depends what you mean. Today at St Peters a crucifix was used bearing the image of Christ but of simple wooden construction and design. Later at the Colosseum for the Stations a large but regular plain cross was used. I assume it was wooden but it may have been of plastic to keep the weight down. It was quite acceptable. I don't know where you saw the 'tree trunks' cross? Veritas Truth CARLO |
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| Derekap | Saturday, 7. April 2007, 14:10 Post #21 |
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The actual cross looks like two crossed twigs but of course they must represent narrow tree trunks to which a body could be nailed or hung. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 7. April 2007, 14:54 Post #22 |
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The church I attended on Good Friday is situated in an area famed for old, natural, English woodland. The priest carried a huge cross that was obviously professionally made, and it WAS made from two tree trunks. There were straps on the "cross piece" and huge, cruel nails fixed, as though in position ready to be hammered into the hands and ankles of the person to be crucified. The sight of it helped bring home to me the sheer horror a person would feel, looking at it before being thrown to the ground prior to being nailed to it. Our priest mentioned the design in his homily. Wood is natural. It is used from birth to death. It sustains our agricultural landscape, is used for boats for fishermen, for building and in our homes. The crucifix used for Christ, was made from local natural timber. |
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| John Sweeney | Sunday, 8. April 2007, 13:25 Post #23 |
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In view of my moans about the flag -waving on Palm Sunday, I thought that in fairness I should record that my parish's Easter services were all one could have wanted in terms of liturgy, reverence and coherence. And thought provoking too. John |
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| CARLO | Monday, 9. April 2007, 00:32 Post #24 |
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Glad to hear it Johnny boy! Plenty of incense I hope? Oremus Let us pray CARLO |
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| John Sweeney | Monday, 9. April 2007, 09:24 Post #25 |
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There was indeed Carlo , plenty of incense and I love the smell. John |
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| CARLO | Monday, 9. April 2007, 13:43 Post #26 |
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:D We could do business! :D Introibo ad altare Dei Things are on the up CARLO |
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| KatyA | Wednesday, 19. March 2008, 20:37 Post #27 |
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As we approach the Easter Triduum I thought it appropriate to post the Holy Father's catechisis on this subject. Greeting thousands of young pilgrims in Rome for Holy Week, Pope Benedict XVI gave a catechesis on the Easter Triduum, three days that are celebrated as a single event that form the heart to the Church and of the liturgical year. "We have arrived at the eve of the Easter Triduum.The next three days are commonly called holy because we are reliving a central event of our redemption that leads us back to the core fact of the Christian faith: the passion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ." Lent prepares us to enter these days in the same spirit that Jesus entered Jerusalem. In that spirit, he said we awaken the memory of the suffering that Christ bore for our sake so that we might celebrate with joy next Sunday, "the real Easter, which the Blood of Christ covered with glory, Easter when the Church celebrates the true origin of all feasts." Speaking first of Holy Thursday, the Holy Father said the Church recalls the Last Supper during which, on the eve of his passion and death, established the Sacrament of the Eucharist and the ministerial priesthood. On that same night, he said, "Jesus left us the new commandment, the commandment of fraternal love." Before entering the Holy Triduum, every diocese celebrates the Chrism Mass, during which the bishop and priests renew their promises, the promises they made at ordination. During that Mass, oils are also blessed for the celebration of the sacraments: oil of catechumens, the oil of the sick and holy chrism. The Holy Father said the Chrism Mass is very important in the life of every diocesan community, which gathers around its pastor’s fidelity to Christ. Following this moment, the Last Supper, recalls the time when "Christ is given to all of us as nourishment of salvation, as the immortal remedy. The mystery of the Eucharist is the source and summit of Christian life." "In this sacrament of salvation the Lord gave for all those who believe in Him the most intimate possible union between our and his life." In concrete gesture of washing the feet of the apostles, the Lord also expresses the primacy of love that is both a service and gift of oneself to another. At the same time, it anticipates the supreme sacrifice of his life on Calvary. According to a beautiful Holy Thursday tradition, the faithful hold a vigil of prayer and adoration to experience more intimately the agony of Jesus in Gethsemane. Holy Friday is that day that recalls the passion, crucifixion and death of Jesus when Christians gather to meditate on the great mystery of evil and sin that oppress humanity. With the Light of the Word of God and aided by moving liturgical gestures, the community meditates on the Passion event, and prays for all the needs of the Church and the world, venerates the Cross and receives the Eucharist, consuming species retained by the Mass of the Lord's Supper the day before. Other expressions of piety, such as the way of the Cross, have developed across centuries and cultures to help the faithful recall the painful journey that led the Jesus to the Cross, a mount of love to the end. Holy Saturday is marked by a profound silence. The Churches are bare and there are no special liturgies. The faithful, while awaiting the big event of the Resurrection, persevere with Mary in praying and meditating. "We actually need a day of silence to meditate on the reality of human life, the forces of evil and great force for good stemming from the Passion and Resurrection of the Lord. Great importance is given on this day of participation in the Sacrament of Reconciliation, which is an essential way to purify the heart and prepare to celebrate Easter with renewed hearts. We need this inner purification of renewal at least once annually," Saturday's silence, meditation, forgiveness, and reconciliation leads into the Easter Vigil, which introduces the most important Sunday of history, the Sunday of Easter of Christ. "With his death, Christ defeated evil forever and has given to all men of the very life of God." According to ancient tradition, catechumens receive Baptism during the Easter Vigil to emphasize the participation of Christians in the mystery of the death and resurrection of Christ. From the bright night of Passover, the joy, the light and peace of Christ in the life span of the faithful of all Christian communities and reach every point of space and time. In the end, the Holy Father encouraged all present to embrace the Triduum as an opportunity to realize more fully the depth and value of our Christian vocation, and to make generous gifts of ourselves. In the current events of history dramatic events afflict so many of our brothers and sisters in every part of the world. "We know that hatred, divisions, and violence never have the last word in the events of history. These days renew in us great hope: Christ crucified and risen won the world. Love is stronger than hatred…So we must start afresh from Christ and work in communion with him for a world based on peace, justice and on love. But…let us be guided by Mary, who has accompanied the Son of God on the path of the passion and of the cross and took part, with the strength of faith, in realizing of his plan of salvation." CNA |
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| KatyA | Wednesday, 8. April 2009, 12:02 Post #28 |
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Q: In the reading of the Passion with several readers -- where there is a deacon, should he, as normal minister of the Gospel, take the part of Christ? If so, what part should the priest take? -- C.M., Drogheda, Ireland A: In 1988 the Holy See published a circular letter on the Easter celebrations. No. 33 deals with the readings of the Passion: "The passion narrative occupies a special place. It should be sung or read in the traditional way, that is, by three persons who take the part of Christ, the narrator, and the people. The passion is proclaimed by deacons or priests, or by lay readers. In the latter case, the part of the Christ should be reserved to the priest. "The proclamation of the passion should be without candles and incense; the greeting and the signs of the cross are omitted; and only a deacon asks for the blessing, as he does before the Gospel. For the spiritual good of the faithful, the passion should be proclaimed in its entirety and the readings that precede it should not be omitted." In fact, this document omits another possibility, that of a choir taking up the part of the multitude so that there would be four and not three agents for the reading. This is the procedure at the Vatican on both Palm Sunday (when the text is sung in Italian) and Good Friday (when it is sung in Latin). The parts of Christ, the narrator and individual speakers are chanted by deacons whereas the text of multiple speakers is usually sung in polyphony by the choir. From this document it appears that the ideal situation is for the Passion narrative to be sung or read by three deacons while the priest remains at the chair, a situation that occurs mainly in cathedrals and seminaries. This is because reading the Gospel is not considered a presidential function in the Roman rite, and the deacon is the proper minister of this liturgical action. Indeed, in normal circumstances, a priest should not read the Gospel if a deacon is present. If no deacons are present, then it would appear that the next preferred situation is that the Passion narrative be read by three priests. This situation is more likely to occur on Good Friday, when there is only one celebration, than on Palm Sunday when the priests are occupied with several Masses. If there are no deacons and only one priest, then the priest takes the part of Christ while lay readers take the other parts. If there are one or two deacons, the indication that the deacon asks for a blessing would suggest that the priest may remain at the chair while the deacon proclaims the Passion narrative along with one or two lay readers In this case it is not stated that the deacon take the part of Christ. It would appear that he may take any part. For example, as the most experienced reader, it might be better for the deacon to take the extensive part of narrator on Good Friday's reading of the Passion according to St. John. The document speaks of deacons or priests and makes no mention of a priest reading with one or two deacons. I believe, however, that because these two days are somewhat out of the ordinary, this situation cannot be excluded a priori and is not prohibited by the norms. In some cases it might even be necessary. If this situation were to arise, it would be congruous to reserve the part of Christ to the priest. http://zenit.org/article-25600?l=english |
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| Deleted User | Thursday, 9. April 2009, 05:59 Post #29 |
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The reading of the passion. The priest or a deacon should take the part of Jesus but as for the rest, well here is a pet gripe of mine. Please could they be people who can read. On certain occasions I have no problem with young children and others reading because a positive involvement by the young should be encouraged but for solemn events such as the celebration of the Lords Passion the readers should be eloquent. Not mock Laurence Oliviers but at least capable of expressing a sense of awe and gravitas. |
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| CARLO | Saturday, 11. April 2009, 13:38 Post #30 |
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Well said Penfold. We seem to have got our act together in this respect in my Parish. Gradually over the years the local clergy have gone for quality rather than quantity. So no complaints here........... However..................  I do get annoyed at young children pushed forward to read at 'yoof Masses' or where there is a 'yoof theme'. Just some basic training that would take no more than 15-20 mins would help them to present themselves better e.g. Stand near microphone Stand on box provided if your head is not well above lectern Do not read as fast as you can Do not mumble Do not look at your mates mid-reading Read through your 'reading' first and ask if you do not know how to pronounce any of the words etc Are our teachers and catechists just too lazy to give this guidance? Libera me Deliver me CARLO |
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