New English Translation of the Mass

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New English Translation of the Mass
Topic Started: Wednesday, 31. October 2007, 21:39 (1,169 Views)
Anne-Marie	Friday, 28. August 2009, 16:04 Post #256
Posts: 500 Group: Members Member #242 Joined: August 21, 2009	Gerard Friday, 28. August 2009, 15:37 we did get a preview (in S. Africa) of the likey reaction. Which was...?
	Anne-Marie FIAT VOLUNTAS DEI


Derekap	Friday, 28. August 2009, 16:42 Post #257
Posts: 3,408 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	Anne-Marie wwrote: "Parishioners would certainly be interested in that bit of info!" I frankly doubt if the majority of parishioners are aware of the pending change of the translations. Obviously we are, but we are a minority. The sale of Catholic newspapers is paltry in comparison to many years ago when there was an enthusiastic group around the table in the porch after Holy Mass. I very rarely see anyone buying the handful of papers on the table of the church we attend. I am sure, however, that when the day is announced and the details published, there will be more than plenty of reaction.
	Derekap


Gerard	Friday, 28. August 2009, 17:05 Post #258
Posts: 3,099 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 26, 2006	Anne-Marie Friday, 28. August 2009, 16:04 Gerard Friday, 28. August 2009, 15:37 we did get a preview (in S. Africa) of the likey reaction. Which was...? Uproar and protest. Rather than my select a webpage you will get a better flavour by putting these words into google: mass translation S.africa Gerry
	"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).


CARLO	Friday, 28. August 2009, 17:39 Post #259
Posts: 1,687 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: September 28, 2006	John Sweeney Thursday, 27. August 2009, 23:04 Good , Rose. For myself, perfectly happy with the present translation, consider all this fuss is just to make jobs for the boys who would be better off doing something useful in the front line but whatever emerges we'll put up with it and it will make no difference whatsoever. John Ah but it will you see. This moderate reform seeking to return a little mystery and dignity to the English translation will stick in the craw of those 'reformers' (now 'conservatives') who have ruled the liturgical roost for far too long in the English speaking world. Folk won't be able to understand why they are making such a fuss! To be serious this is a small step forwards after the inaction and feet dragging of the last decades. I look forward to seeing the new translation in use. It can't be soon enough. Pax CARLO
	Judica me Deus


Richard Hannay.	Friday, 28. August 2009, 18:31 Post #260
Posts: 463 Group: Members Member #243 Joined: August 25, 2009	I am not sure if these changes are good or ill but I do think it is time to begin to prepare the ground. Whether old, new, reformed or traditional I think liturgy benefits from good preparation and reverent delivery. I was involved in some prep a few years ago but then it was all hurry up and wait. If there can be a definite start date some parishes might feel encouraged to explore the new translation and in the process discover more riches in the liturgy. So I agree Carlo let it be put into practice sooner rather than later.



Anne-Marie	Friday, 28. August 2009, 18:38 Post #261
Posts: 500 Group: Members Member #242 Joined: August 21, 2009	Richard Hannay. Friday, 28. August 2009, 18:31 I think liturgy benefits from reverent delivery. Now here's an interesting thing: A few days ago, I heard a Mass said by a newly ordained priest - and he was saying it so fast that we were having difficulty keeping up. We are used to saying our bits at a respectful speed... and found we often had to miss out the last word or two of each sentence just to keep (or catch) up with where the priest was. I used to think priests should slow us down... and I had expected newer priests to have got the hang of not saying Mass as though their train were just leaving the platform! Perhaps, being new, he was nervous up there in front of us all....
	Anne-Marie FIAT VOLUNTAS DEI


Derekap	Friday, 28. August 2009, 19:30 Post #262
Posts: 3,408 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	The variable speed of Celebrant's prayers is not peculiar to OF of Holy Mass. However, I would have expected a newly-ordained priest to have been normal speed or even a bit slower.
	Derekap


CARLO	Monday, 31. August 2009, 10:39 Post #263
Posts: 1,687 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: September 28, 2006	Derekap Friday, 28. August 2009, 19:30 The variable speed of Celebrant's prayers is not peculiar to OF of Holy Mass. However, I would have expected a newly-ordained priest to have been normal speed or even a bit slower. Yes Derek I agree. It seems a rum business! Libera nos Deliver us CARLO
	Judica me Deus


KatyA	Tuesday, 17. November 2009, 20:58 Post #264
Administrator Posts: 5,391 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	Quote: How fascinating it is, to sit here in the UK and watch the proceedings of the meeting of the US Catholic Conference of Bishops! I wonder if televised meetings will ever catch on with our own UK bishops Conference... At Home in My Father's House (Currently discussing the new translation)



Deacon Robert	Wednesday, 18. November 2009, 15:37 Post #265
Posts: 819 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: September 26, 2006	A question was asked about whether the translation would be the same US v UK. The process of translation is a highly consultative work of several groups. The International Commission on English in the Liturgy (ICEL) is chartered to prepare English translations of liturgical texts on behalf of the conferences of bishops of English�speaking countries. Currently 11 conferences of bishops are full members of the Commission: the United States, Australia, Canada, England and Wales, India, Ireland, New Zealand, Pakistan, the Philippines, Scotland, and South Africa.
	Dcn Robert


John Sweeney	Wednesday, 18. November 2009, 16:00 Post #266
Posts: 1,834 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	Does that mean ,Deacon Robert, that each Conference will be able to "tweak" the translation for its own territory? John



Joseph	Wednesday, 18. November 2009, 16:08 Post #267
Posts: 737 Group: Members Member #37 Joined: October 18, 2006	It would appear so John. But we seem to be dragging our feet here, and not getting very much feedback in the way of progress reports. There can't be any reluctance to make this move, can there?
	Joseph


Joseph	Wednesday, 18. November 2009, 16:16 Post #268
Posts: 737 Group: Members Member #37 Joined: October 18, 2006	According to Zenit today, the US Approval of New Missal Translation has been completed. Quote: (Extract) Bishops Urged to Prepare for Coming Changes BALTIMORE, Maryland, NOV. 17, 2009 (Zenit.org).- The U.S. bishops' conference completed its approval of the final portions of the new translation of the Roman Missal for use in its country. It now awaits the Vatican's confirmation. The vote took place today at the conference's fall general assembly, which is under way in Baltimore through Thursday. Bishop Arthur Serratelli of Paterson, New Jersey, chairman of the Committee on Divine Worship, explained today before the vote that this was the conference's last chance to send its recommendations to the Holy See. The Vatican has asked for the submission of all input by the end of this month. The translation has been in progress for the past six years, and the conference has been gradually voting on the various parts of it in their assemblies.... ...With this approval, the texts will go to the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments for the final "recognitio" (permission), after which the new translation will be implemented. Historic moment Bishop Serratelli noted that the "recognitio" is expected at the beginning of 2010, but that it will take another 12 months at that point for the publication of the missal. The date for use will be set at that time, he said. "We have come to a historic moment," he said as the voting on the translation was concluded this afternoon. "After hours of discussion and debate, we have completed our work as a national conference on the translation," the prelate affirmed. He acknowledged that even the best translation will not suit everyone's preferences, but he reminded the conference that there is something greater in this work. This missal, the bishop said, is not composed of the "expressions of an individual," but of a community. The prayers "pass on the faith from one generation to the next," and thus it is an important task to provide translations that are "accurate and inspiring," he said. "No translation is perfect," Bishop Serratelli affirmed, "but the new translation is good and worthy of our use." He urged his fellow prelates to catechize the people in preparation for the coming liturgical changes. The prelate announced that many publishers are already preparing material to help in the implementation of the new missal. He exhorted parishes to "begin now" to prepare their people, for priests to review the approved translations on the Web site of the conference Committee on Divine Worship. In the Spring, he said, 20 workshops will be held around the country to help in the preparation. Cardinal Francis George, the conference president, affirmed that with the coming changes, "there is a tremendous moment of religious renewal that is possible now." Link to full article: http://www.zenit.org/article-27575?l=english Meanwhile, back at the ranch, what's happening on this in the UK?
	Joseph


Deacon Robert	Wednesday, 18. November 2009, 16:18 Post #269
Posts: 819 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: September 26, 2006	But make the move we will. The main reason for the hold up is the tweaks, everyone wants to put their stamp on it. In the US we are already starting to get training and materials. The bishops want us to prepare the community for the new missal. We are told that it will not be implimented until we have instructed the people.
	Dcn Robert


Deacon Robert	Wednesday, 18. November 2009, 16:20 Post #270
Posts: 819 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: September 26, 2006	Bishop Arthur Serratelli of Paterson, New Jersey is my Bishop. We have already had clergy training sessions.
	Dcn Robert


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