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| Topic Started: Wednesday, 11. October 2006, 23:13 (1,457 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Wednesday, 11. October 2006, 23:13 Post #1 |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 11. October 2006, 23:52 Post #2 |
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Comfort? Comfort? We have experienced more changes in all aspects of our lives, than any other. When we want something badly enough we shout aloud. We are the ones who fought for equal pay, sick pay, protection from unfair dismissal, and now we are fighting to bring back reverence in our churches. I personally am happy with the modern rite (the language could do with improvement), but: I am sick of irreverence (in some, but not all churches) I am sick of sloppily dressed clergy and servers (in some, but not all churches) I want to hear some decent Hell Fire and Brimstone preaching I want an end to the irreverent nonsense of people walking away after receiving Holy Communion with as much reverence as a yob strolling along the street with a Mexican Take-Away. Yes, I am a flaming nuisance, I WANT. They can keep their patronising comfort. |
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| Patrick | Thursday, 12. October 2006, 01:04 Post #3 |
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I don't see how issuing another Motu Proprio on the matter will make a blind bit of difference to the situation - if a Bishop doesn't want to give permission for the Tridentine Mass to be celebrated in parishes, then he doesn't have to. How will issuing another Motu Proprio alter that? |
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| Rose of York | Thursday, 12. October 2006, 21:05 Post #4 |
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I cannot see it being practical outside larger cities, because so many churches are down to just one Mass on Sundays. Some have just one Mass, and it is on Saturday. However I do feel all should be shown due consideration where it is possible. |
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| Patrick | Thursday, 12. October 2006, 21:17 Post #5 |
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Since my earlier post, an article from The Times expanding on the forthcoming 'motu proprio':
Full article can be read HERE It's great to hear that the permission has now been taken out of the Bishops' hands and given to Priests. A Bishop will only be able to forbid the Tridentine Mass if he explicitly forbids it in writing. Hopefully, the Priests will make full use of the Indult. It's not the means to an end, and cetainly doesn't resolve the problem of the '1988 excommunications', but it is a good step forward by the Pope. |
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| Patrick | Thursday, 12. October 2006, 21:38 Post #6 |
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Good to see the readers of Corriere della Sera voting in favour for a return to the Latin Mass - the count so far:![]() :D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added @ 00.59: ![]() |
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| Derekap | Thursday, 12. October 2006, 21:57 Post #7 |
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The pros are hardly overwhelming! |
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| CARLO | Thursday, 12. October 2006, 22:13 Post #8 |
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Derek I think in Parliamentary terms the Pros would be said to have "a comfortable working majority". Laudate! Rejoice! :D CARLO |
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| Rose of York | Thursday, 12. October 2006, 22:15 Post #9 |
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Derek they are not overwhelming, but they are very significant. A lot of members know how I feel about minorities such as physically disabled parishioners being excluded because being a "minority" they need not be catered for. Well whether the people who love Tridentine Mass are a minority or a majority, we should do our best to provide for them. Also, if Tridentine Mass is "kept alive" there will be a visible "benchmark" of correct rubrics. |
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| Patrick | Friday, 13. October 2006, 00:27 Post #10 |
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Can anyone 'see' into the future here? With diocesan Priests getting older and dying off, whilst the seminaries are hardly at max capacity, and more younger people looking to Tradition and becoming Traditional Priests with their seminaries fuller than their diocesan counterparts? |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 13. October 2006, 00:54 Post #11 |
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Patrick, I do not think that is happening in Britain. Some religious orders in this country are having increased vocations to priesthood, so is Westminster. Admittedly some dioceses are in a sorry state, but I have heard nothing about young people in this country flocking to traditionalist seminaries. |
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| Patrick | Friday, 13. October 2006, 01:01 Post #12 |
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Rose, I was talking generally, worldwide if you like. |
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| CARLO | Friday, 13. October 2006, 20:11 Post #13 |
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I do not subscribe to the 'wait for it all to collapse then only the trads will be left theory'. It is dangerous nonsense. Veritas Truth CARLO |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 13. October 2006, 20:24 Post #14 |
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I "see" a Church decimated by loss of numbers over a long period. Those with strong faith, and loyalty, remain. There are few "fellow travellers" attending Mass out of habit or due to family or peer pressure. Our numbers are boosted by influx of Catholics from overseas. We have a good strong nucleus. It is our responsibility (with help from the hierarchy) to feed it, make it grow. Decline management - OUT! Hope for the future - IN! |
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| Patrick | Friday, 13. October 2006, 23:18 Post #15 |
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If they weren't then, Derek, they are now:
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