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Another Vatican Controversy; Archbisop of Linz
Topic Started: Wednesday, 4. February 2009, 00:10 (532 Views)
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What's a "pastoral theologian" please or are we losing something in the translation?

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I don't pretend to be fluent in German,but I remember a little - and I'm sure that's what it says; no - I think that's what it says.
Pastoral theologian - could that be someone who thinks about God while he's minding the sheep?
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According to the Catholic encyclopaedia pastoral theology is a branch of practical theology; it is essentially a practical science. All branches of theology, whether theoretical or practical, purpose in one way or another to make priests "the ministers of Christ, and the dispensers of the mysteries of God" (1 Corinthians 4:1). Pastoral theology presupposes other various branches; accepts the apologetic, dogmatic, exegetic, moral, juridical, ascetical, liturgical, and other conclusions reached by the ecclesiastical student, and scientifically applies these various conclusions to the priestly ministry.

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Many thanks Katy and I think you did well to cope with the English far less the german.

John
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Still not sure what it means
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Tuesday, 24. February 2009, 11:42
Pastoral theology presupposes other various branches; accepts the apologetic, dogmatic, exegetic, moral, juridical, ascetical, liturgical, and other conclusions reached by the ecclesiastical student, and scientifically applies these various conclusions to the priestly ministry.

I see!
:rofl:
Keep the Faith!

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Did he jump or was he pushed? Wait; has he jumped at all? Posted Feb. 23, 2009 4:15 PM || by Phil Lawler || category Inside Out

Last week in my Commentary essay, "The crucial test for the pontificate of Benedict XVI," I commented on the controversial appointment of an auxiliary bishop of Linz, Austria, and reported: "Father Wagner had asked the Pope to withdraw his nomination. And the Pope had agreed."

Not so fast. The Vatican press formally announced Father Wagner's appointment on January 31. There has been no formal announcement of his withdrawal. For official purposes, therefore, as far as we know, he remains a bishop-elect.


from http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/blog.cfm?id=367
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I haven't seen the announcement promised for today by the Kathnet article. Maybe I misunderstood, maybe the announcement is late, maybe they were wrong...
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Katy, could it possibly have been a reference not to a pastoral theologian but to a theological pastor ? I imagine a spiritual man, appointed to a shepherd's post, alone on the foothills with his sheep and musing to them on the mystery of life and our relationship with God. Those big German words come in a funny order sometimes.

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Nicht nur die großen Wörter auch
You could right be.
I wonder if Yoda was German
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VATICAN CITY, 2 MAR 2009 (VIS) - The Holy Father:

- Appointed Bishop Roger Paul Morin, auxiliary of New Orleans, U.S.A., as bishop of Biloxi (area 24,992, population 822,000, Catholics 67,800, priests 79, permanent deacons 26, religious 63), U.S.A.

- Dispensed Msgr. Gerhard Wagner from accepting the office of auxiliary of the diocese of Linz, Austria.
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Perhaps this had something to do with the opposition to the Holy Father's appointment of Father Wagner?

from catholicculture.org:

News Briefs
Linz priest who opposed bishop's appointment admits living with girlfriend
March 09, 2009
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=2238

An Austrian priest who helped rally opposition to the Pope's appointment of an auxiliary bishop for the Linz diocese has admitted that he keeps a mistress, the German-language Kath.net news service has revealed. Father Josef Friedl, one of the 31 deans who said they would refuse to accept the episcopal ordination of Father Gerhard Maria Wagner, told a public forum that he opposes the discipline of priestly celibacy and lives with his girlfriend; he said that his parishioners have no objections. According to the daily Der Welt, Friedl is one of several deans of the Linz diocese who lives openly with a woman. Meanwhile another Austrian prelate, Bishop Egon Kapellari of Graz, said that Father Wagner-- who has withdrawn from the episcopal appointment-- had "traumatized" the Austrian public with his public statements of opposition to homosexuality and insistence that God punishes sin.

Source(s): these links will take you to other sites, in a new window.

* Ein Dechant bekennt sich zu seiner Freundin (Kath.net)
* Kapellari: Wagners Antworten für die Öffentlichkeit traumatisierend (Kath.net)

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Oops, shouldn't the title heading be amended to - Another Vatican Controversy ?

:bl: Only I keep noticing the slip of the finger there.
Domine Jesu, noverim me .
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Friday, 13. March 2009, 10:08
Oops, shouldn't the title heading be amended to - Another Vatican Controversy ?

:bl: Only I keep noticing the slip of the finger there.
I didn't notice,Poesy, but it's now amended. Thank you
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COMMUNIQUE ON POPE'S MEETING WITH AUSTRIAN BISHOPS

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VATICAN CITY, 17 JUN 2009 (VIS) - The Holy See Press Office yesterday published the following communique concerning the meeting of the Pope and a number of heads of dicasteries of the Roman Curia with a group of Austrian bishops. The gathering was held in the Vatican on 15 and 16 June.
"The meeting, characterised by lively 'collegial affection', served to examine, in a fraternal exchange of ideas and with a constructive spirit, certain questions concerning the situation of the diocese of Linz and of the Church in Austria, proposing solutions to current problems.
"The Holy Father highlighted the urgent importance of strengthening faith and of maintaining integral faithfulness to Vatican Council II and to the Church's post-conciliar Magisterium, as well as the need to renew catechesis in the light of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
"Attention also turned to doctrinal and pastoral questions and to the situation of the clergy, the laity, the major seminaries and the theological faculties in Linz and in other dioceses of Austria.
"The Austrian bishops thanked the Holy Father for his paternal solicitude and for this meeting, a sign of his closeness to the Church in Austria, giving assurances of their full communion and their affection. The Austrian bishops also thanked the Roman Curia for its fruitful collaboration and openness".
The meeting was attended by the following Austrian prelates: Cardinal Christoph Schonborn O.P., archbishop of Vienna and president of the Austrian Episcopal Conference; Archbishop Alois Kothgasser S.D.B. of Salzburg; Bishop Egon Kapellari of Graz-Seckau and vice president of the Austrian Episcopal Conference, and Bishop Ludwig Schwarz S.D.B. of Linz.
Also present were Archbishop Peter Stephan Zurbriggen, apostolic nuncio to Austria, and the following heads of dicasteries: Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, prefect of the Congregation for Bishops; Cardinal William Joseph Levada, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith; Cardinal Claudio Hummes O.F.M., prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy; Cardinal Zenon Grocholewski, prefect of the Congregation for Catholic Education, and Cardinal Stanislaw Rylko, president of the Pontifical Council for the Laity.

The meeting was not the ad limina visit, rather it is seen by many commentators as a result of previous happenings in Linz and other Austrian dioceses.
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