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| Another Vatican Controversy; Archbisop of Linz | |
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| Topic Started: Wednesday, 4. February 2009, 00:10 (534 Views) | |
| OsullivanB | Monday, 16. February 2009, 18:24 Post #31 |
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Wagnerdammerung* seems OK though. *The final part of the Bishop's Ring Cycle. Attentive followers will recall that in an earlier part we heard the immortal: "Du bist der Linz". Edited by OsullivanB, Monday, 16. February 2009, 18:26.
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| Mairtin | Monday, 16. February 2009, 19:58 Post #32 |
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What perturbs me, Rose is not the autocracy - that is the inherent nature of the Church - it is the way that those cloistered in the Vatican, the Pope and his advisors, seem totally divorced from reality. Either they didn't know about Williamson's hatred of the Jews - I'm deliberately calling a spade a spade her, it's that hatred that is the real problem, the stuff about the Holocaust was only an expression of it - and the fact that the same hatred pervades SSPX or they didn't grasp the problems that would cause; they didn't know about Wagner's hatred of gay people - I'm calling a spade a spade again - or once more, they didn't grasp the problems that would cause. Either way, it's an awful reflection of how our leaders either don't know or don't care about how our Church is perceived and the difficulty that creates in spreading the Good News
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| Gerard | Monday, 16. February 2009, 22:24 Post #33 |
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It disturbs me (the autocracy) it is not supposed to be the nature of the church. leadership is supposed to be collaborative. leadership is supposed to be servant leadership. I see none of that. Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 16. February 2009, 22:29 Post #34 |
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Let us assume a priest would obviously be a good bishop. He may be ideal for London or Birmingham, where city life is the norm, but he may be lacking in understanding of life in, say, Cumbria. How would the men in the Vatican know that? Another may be highly suited for a remote rural area but not for a large University city. How would the men in the Vatican know that? |
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| MickCook | Monday, 16. February 2009, 23:05 Post #35 |
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The selection of a Bishop can differ from one country to the next.
The Vatican has a good idea of who to select for a vacant episccopal see because they are informed by the see itself. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 16. February 2009, 23:26 Post #36 |
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Code of Canon Law. 1983
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| Deleted User | Monday, 16. February 2009, 23:49 Post #37 |
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Do we therefore assume that normal procedure was followed here, and the Holy Father chose the Bishop elect for Linz from names recommended to him? If so, both his advisers and the media did a pretty good hatchet job following the announcement. Watching the developments, both at Linz and concerning the lifting of the excommunications,I've found two things springing constantly to mind; one being Pope Benedict's words at his inaugural Mass, “Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.” and the other is the dream of St John Bosco. KatyA |
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| MickCook | Tuesday, 17. February 2009, 00:20 Post #38 |
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As I said in my post above, the selection of a bishop can differ from one country to the next: Here's what the Catholic Encylopedia says about Austria etc.
Father Gerhard Maria Wagner, the contraversial Austrian auxiliary bishop of Linz has asked to be relieved of the post. Who is actually responsible for this mess, I have no idea. It wasn't me, honest! |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 17. February 2009, 00:31 Post #39 |
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Can we be sure procedures have not been altered since 1904? |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 17. February 2009, 00:35 Post #40 |
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I rather think that the 1983 Code of Canon Law supersedes the information in the encyclopaedia and applies universally - but I could be wrong KatyA |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 17. February 2009, 11:00 Post #41 |
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Really ? What came to my mind was that this pope doesnt listen to anyone other than himself. Gerry |
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| Angus Toanimo | Tuesday, 17. February 2009, 12:22 Post #42 |
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Just extended the emboldening of that text... Schoenborn is exactly right - the "damage control" is the person and policies of the present Holy Father. The Liberal mafia are running scared.
Let him who is without sin etc.... That's right, put the stone down, +Salzburg.
Don't worry, I am sure there is a place for even you, within Benedict's reforms. Whether you'll still be able to hold your Clown Masses in your Cathedral or not, I don't know. |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 17. February 2009, 12:28 Post #43 |
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See Rose's post below
Edited by Gerard, Tuesday, 17. February 2009, 12:54.
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 17. February 2009, 12:46 Post #44 |
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You know perfectly well that silly video of a supposed Clown Mass was not made in a Catholic church. A place for even whom? Is this a diversionary tactic? |
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| Angus Toanimo | Tuesday, 17. February 2009, 12:56 Post #45 |
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Oh no, Rose, I am not referring to the video of the Clown Mass that took place in the USA. There is a picture online [I'll try and locate it] of the Archbishop of Salzburg and his Clown Mass. No diversionary tactic at all. |
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