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Another Vatican Controversy; Archbisop of Linz
Topic Started: Wednesday, 4. February 2009, 00:10 (531 Views)
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Hot on th eheels of the reinstatement of the anti-semitic bishop, controversy has broken out in Austria as the Pope has promoted to auxiliary bishop of Linz a man who has said among other things that Hurricane Katrina was God's judgement on New Orleans.

Has the Vatican been infiltrated by secularist agents intent on discrediting the Church through this type of thing?

John
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OsullivanB

He was probably thinking of the music.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Yes good point again OSB and maybe he has a point after all

John
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tomais

Yes in the Vat it's honkey tonk V Mozart !
OOOPs sorry-Mozart precurser for Masonic Lodge music- not to worry as all of this is of no consequence what so ever.
Just keep your eye on who is to reside in London.
Could be an anti Lord Mandelson person- just like Bishop Wagner?
Ooops,or am I too going to be barred from appearing on the BBC ?
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OsullivanB

I have never thought of Wagner as resembling either honky-tonk or Mozart.

tomais, I think your chances of appearing on the BBC are exactly as they were before your posting. Whether this is reassuring or depressing, you must, I think, judge for yourself.
Edited by OsullivanB, Wednesday, 4. February 2009, 21:23.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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John Sweeney
Wednesday, 4. February 2009, 00:10
Hot on th eheels of the reinstatement of the anti-semitic bishop, controversy has broken out in Austria as the Pope has promoted to auxiliary bishop of Linz a man who has said among other things that Hurricane Katrina was God's judgement on New Orleans.

Has the Vatican been infiltrated by secularist agents intent on discrediting the Church through this type of thing?

John
That remark would have caused me considerable distress if I had suffered as a result of Hurrican Katrina. Surely the people of New Orleans are not all wicked? Does this bishop think Katrina was a re-run of Noah's Ark? We all drop clangers, but this man should stop and think, what he says will be perceived to be official Church policy.
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Powerofone

The Holy Father needs to move away from the small armaments. They have an annoying habit of going off in his foot.
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tomais

Yes you are semi right OSB- but-( always the but)- there is always the escape route- like BBC Scotland!!!!

The narow minded, parochial ego-sighted view is- I am in Edinburgh ! Did you ever come across that American vangelist=Robertson and his view on Scotland?
Mind you as I tangentialy shoot off- I have been in conflict with Ceserani and his 2004 book on Eichmann,where the Gypsies do not even feature in the index!
There we are into the shoayh and the " jewish" tunnel vision view of thier history!
Anyway in calling a spade a spade that would even in private have me barred from the londoncentric bbc green book given this pathetic weeks events.
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Tom
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Did you ever come across that American evangelist Robertson and his view on Scotland?

I knew of him but hadn't seen what he said about Scotland until your post prompted me to Google him.

It seems likely that he profoundly misunderstood the significance of the kilt.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Rose of York
Wednesday, 4. February 2009, 22:56
John Sweeney
Wednesday, 4. February 2009, 00:10
Hot on th eheels of the reinstatement of the anti-semitic bishop, controversy has broken out in Austria as the Pope has promoted to auxiliary bishop of Linz a man who has said among other things that Hurricane Katrina was God's judgement on New Orleans.

Has the Vatican been infiltrated by secularist agents intent on discrediting the Church through this type of thing?

John
That remark would have caused me considerable distress if I had suffered as a result of Hurrican Katrina. Surely the people of New Orleans are not all wicked? Does this bishop think Katrina was a re-run of Noah's Ark? We all drop clangers, but this man should stop and think, what he says will be perceived to be official Church policy.
Spot on Rose, there were a lot of good and decent people who lost a lot, yet were there to help their neighbours who lost everything. Tomais comments about Robertson and Scotland show just how something can be misunderstood - the bishop was probably thinking about the Carnaval for which New Orleans is famous, but this is a parade with lots of string beads, music and floats. So why hasn't God smacked Rio (also famous for its Carnaval - a little more saucey than Oldham's) with a Katrina? With respect for the bishop, he should know better - God doesn't work that way.
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Wednesday, 4. February 2009, 00:10
Hot on th eheels of the reinstatement of the anti-semitic bishop, controversy has broken out in Austria as the Pope has promoted to auxiliary bishop of Linz a man who has said among other things that Hurricane Katrina was God's judgement on New Orleans.

Has the Vatican been infiltrated by secularist agents intent on discrediting the Church through this type of thing?

John
Now the Church in Austria is in turmoill

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VIENNA (Reuters)

Austrian Catholic Church holds meeting amid bishops uproar

- Austria's Catholic Church will hold a crisis session on Monday to discuss an uproar over a new provincial bishop and the Vatican's readmission of a banned bishop who denies the Holocaust, officials said on Friday.

Faced with rising numbers of Catholics quitting the Church and protests from clergy, Vienna Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn called all diocesan bishops to the one-day meeting to "give our best to overcome the crisis."

Austrian Catholicism is in turmoil because Pope Benedict, one week after readmitting arch-traditionalist Bishop Richard Williamson, named an auxiliary bishop in Linz who said Hurricane Katrina in 2005 was God punishing New Orleans for its sins.

The two appointments, both apparently without consultation with local churches, sparked doubt about Benedict's leadership and concern the Church was turning increasingly conservative.

Schoenborn said the uproar had caused "irritation and resignation" and the Church needed "damage control" for the sake of its future, according to the Catholic news agency Kathpress.

Four times as many Catholics have officially quit the Church in Linz so far this year as in early 2008, the Austrian Press Agency APA reported, and departures have also been running higher than usual in Vienna, Salzburg, Tyrol and Lower Austria.

On Tuesday, 31 of the 39 deans (senior priests) of the Linz diocese passed a declaration of no confidence in Wagner, who has condemned the Harry Potter books as satanic, said homosexuality was curable and ruled out lay participation in Church affairs.

TIMING Fueled UPROAR

Schoenborn's spokesman Erich Leitenberger said the timing of Wagner's appointment fueled an uproar unleashed by the lifting of excommunications against Williamson and three other bishops of the ultra-traditionalist Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX).

"The proximity of those two events has for some people created the impression there was a masterplan, that the Church wanted to roll back the Second Vatican Council," he said, referring to major Church reforms from the 1960s.

"This is of course nonsense," he told Reuters.

Leitenberger said Wagner had been given the order not to give any further interviews to stop fanning the flames.

The liberal lay Catholic movement We Are Church urged Austrians not to quit the Church but also not to contribute money to it. It announced it would set up "solidarity accounts" for contributions to be held "until the situation improves."

Like bishops in Germany and Switzerland, Austrian bishops reacted allergically to the readmission of Holocaust denier Williamson and several-- including Schoenborn, a close ally of the pope -- said he should have no official place in the Church.

In one of the bluntest criticisms from a prelate, Salzburg Archbishop Alois Kothgasser said on Tuesday the SSPX bishops seemed to be heretics who had shut themselves out of the Church.
He also said the Church must not shrink into "a sect ... with few but strictly obedient members" -- a veiled criticism of Pope Benedict, who once suggested the Church might have to reduce to a hard core to survive the secular modernist age.
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It appears that in practically every country, the Catholic Church is in turmoil. Much of that is due to the autocratic manner in which decisions are made. I for one am sick to death of the attitude the those with the power ARE the Church, and they tend to make decisions without a thought for the reaction of the laity who attend Mass.

The chances are that most of those who are classed as having left the Church have not left, they are staying away, dejected and bewildered, but still hold to their beliefs.
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I think you are absolutely right Rose.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Those who carry on in an autocratic manner must know people are unhappy, and that it is contributing to the departure of many, so why would they continue with their idiotic behaviour?

Its not as though we are trying to dictate on matters of faith and morals.
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Quicunque vult

Let's not get too carried away by reports from inaccurate and malevolent journalists. "Two appointments"??!! (I also heard a reference to an "appointment" on the BBC recently.) Bishop Williamson has not been appointed to anything, nor does it appear at present that he is ever likely to be so appointed in the absence of a pretty clear repudiation of what he has said.

Excommunication is a very severe penalty, not applied even in cases of murder. The withdrawal of excommunication merely means that Bishop Williamson is no longer deprived of the Sacraments of the Church. To be able to receive Communion, we must be in a state of grace. If we hold bizarre views about historical events, and these are motivated by hate, our souls would be in great danger if we presented ourselves for Communion, without having first confessed and received absolution through the Sacrament of Penance.

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