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The Tablet
Topic Started: Saturday, 6. October 2007, 01:42 (1,088 Views)
Rose of York
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The Tablet does not claim to speak with authority. It is plain to see the articles are written by journalists expressing their individual views. I would not class it with "tabloid rags" designed to appeal to unthinking masses (masses of people, not Masses with capital M). I would say its target market is people with a fairly high standard of education.
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Our members who do not live in the United Kingdom might like to judge The Tablet for themselves.

This is their website>

The Tablet Website
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Lilo
Dec 11 2007, 09:34 PM


CNT writers routinely were radical feminists, angry ex-nuns and dissenters of every stripe.




One of the reasons I avoid taking the tablet is that wannabe priestess Lavinia Byrne writes for them. She used to belong to the Order responsible for my education and has let them down badly

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Our members who do not live in the United Kingdom might like to judge The Tablet for themselves.

This is their website>

The Tablet Website


Looking at their sample issue - they're less like the CNT and more like the (American) National Catholic Reporter.

That's a case of damning with faint praise, though. The attraction to dissent is still obvious, especially in regard to all issues dealing with sexual morality.

What else are we to think of articles focused on "the ‘terrible light’of the Church’s teaching on hom osex uality – teaching that must change with changing times."

Must it, now. :(

Or the worshipful treatment of a known dissenter like Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini as he speculates on the Church changing its teaching on condom use? :clare:
Labelling him a moderate and progressive-minded Catholic doesn't change the reality - nor has Church teaching changed. :wh:

No, I won't become a fan. There's much better reading material available.
The root problem in a lot of bad catechesis is ultimately not ignorance, but pride. ~ Mark Shea

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Putting the "Fun Dame" into Fundamentalist
John Sweeney
Dec 11 2007, 09:39 PM
Just for the record, the Tablet is very far from being ultra-liberal, as I understand that particular term as used by fundamentalists. I agree there is a gap for a far more liberal journal on Catholicism but seems unlikely to emerge.

Another classic from Mr Sweeney! :D
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OsullivanB

"Bitter Pill". I assume this is a "witty" reference to The Tablet. There is an article by Professor Emeritus Nicholas Lash in which Lash criticises Bishop O'Donoghue's thinking. It is an intelligently argued piece which is better read than sneered at by those who have not read it. If anyobody reads it and takes issue with it, I would be happy to debate it. I am heartily sick of the most intelligent English weekly pubication about Catholic affairs being scoffed at again and again by people who plainly don't read it.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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That would be the one. Unfortunately it is not available to read online
http://www.thetablet.co.uk/
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OsullivanB

The article's on page 12, if you have access to the print copy, maybe at the back of your church.

Mind you, I wonder how many of those freely praising Bishop O'Donoghue's doument have actually read much less understood it.
Edited by OsullivanB, Saturday, 15. November 2008, 00:31.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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OsullivanB
Saturday, 15. November 2008, 00:25
...Mind you, I wonder how many of those freely praising Bishop O'Donoghue's doument have actually read much less understood it.
Please sir, some of us are trying very hard to do just that! :-)
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Rose of York
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OsullivanB do you know the original reason for some people loathing The Tablet? It had thought provoking articles when Humanae Vitae was published. Some parish priests banned it from their churches.

I used to subscribe for a copy, by post. The articles are thought provoking, they make one think. I did not agree with everything in The Tablet, but I have read Mein Kampf and I have a copy of Chairman Mao's Little Red Book. Some would call me Nazi or Communist, for reading them (I don't mean you!).
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Fortunatus

OsB, you're not paying attention. :nono:
The phrase "Bitter Pill" has been in fairly common use by those who weary of the Tablet's somewhat liberal (I'm desperately trying to be polite here) approach to the Catholic Faith.
To quote one of the comments on 'Holy Smoke'
"He [P O'D] isn't saying that all educated people are damaging the Church, but that the wreckers are almost always people with degrees or some form of higher education."
I agree. Perhaps you would care to read what the Bishop of Lancaster has said and written in recent weeks before you jump to conclusions. For my part I shall try to find a copy of the Tablet and read the article before commenting further on it.
I have no such qualms about commenting on Lash, however.
It was Lash who accused John Paul II of "a scandalous abuse of power" in an article for the Pill in December 1995 following the Pope's pronouncement on women priests. Check here.
The sort of orthodoxy the Church can do without by and large, I would have said. Certainly what I have read of O'Donoghue and by him strikes me as highly orthodox and traditional in the best and proper sense of the word.
As a counterweight to what Thomson refers to as the "Magic Circle" he could well be a breath if fresh air in the E&W hierarchy which in many areas appears to have lost its way. Which could well be why the Tablet is setting one of its hatchet men loose on him.
If he was going to retire quietly they wouldn't give a fig; it smells as if they are taking the rumours seriously.
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The Tablet does have fans. This is one of the comments from "that blog" It amused me, I hope it amuses you as well.
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The Tablet is fine. I don’t agree with everything in it but I’m glad that it exists. Same goes for the Catholic Herald.

But, funnily enough, the more that this blog’s de facto council of excommunicators fulminate against the Tablet, the fonder I become of it. Now I’m off to give a gift subscription of that very journal. Thanks for the prompt, Holy Smoke. God works in mysterious ways.



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OsullivanB

Rose - as you know - Humanae Vitae was published 40 years ago. As a subscriber I feel I have been sneered at once too often as a "Tabletista" reading "the Bitter Pill". It's childish and unbecoming.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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The phrase "Bitter Pill" has been in fairly common use by those who weary of the Tablet's somewhat liberal (I'm desperately trying to be polite here) approach to the Catholic Faith.

Yes - and I'm sick of it and complaining as is my right. Don't you dare wag your finger at me in that patronising fashion.

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Perhaps you would care to read what the Bishop of Lancaster has said and written in recent weeks before you jump to conclusions.

I have read it. I printed it out and read it in full when it was available only in PDF form. I haven't bought the CTS copy. To what conclusions do you suggest that I have jumped?

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It was Lash who accused John Paul II of "a scandalous abuse of power" in an article for the Pill in December 1995

You draw my attention to something he wrote on another subject 13 years ago. Restrain your impatience. Wax wroth about this week's article. I'm convinced you expect to before you've even read it.
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"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Joseph

I hope you are right - long overdue!
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