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The Tablet
Topic Started: Saturday, 6. October 2007, 01:42 (1,089 Views)
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I haven't read the article to which Damian Thompson refers in his blog Holy Smoke (I won't buy The Tablet and the website doesn't seem to have been updated) Has anyone read it, and is it as bad as DT says?
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“Once the Pope’s legs start giving out – he is 80, after all – maybe Mgr Marini will bring back the gestatorial chair.” Vatican-watchers will have no difficulty identifying the author of that spiteful little sentence: it’s Robert Mickens, Rome correspondent of the Tablet, aka The Bitter Pill.


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Robert Mickens ought to be careful about the example he is setting. His legs could give out before Pope Benedict's, then he will, no doubt, be distressed when he is mocked.

Those words are hardly likely to give credibility to anything he writes. He has shown himself to be a verbal yob.
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I read that sentence in the original article and , in context, it didn't seem nasty at all but rather a remark made to illustrate that the new liturgy supremo in Rome is digging out all sorts of old fixtures and fittings. I can see that as quoted above that it could give offence but I for one read the original sentence without thinking any such thing. Bit of mild fun-poking , at the most. Bit like Father Chuck and Sister Sandal ( I hope I have those names right).

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John Sweeney
Dec 10 2007, 08:11 PM
but rather a remark made to illustrate that the new liturgy supremo in Rome is digging out all sorts of old fixtures and fittings. 

That'll get some of them going, John.
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Sorry Rose I thought it was a succinct way of describing the issue without looking up the references but I see what you mean.
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No need to say sorry, John. Its just my weird sense of humour. Fixtures and fittings, eh? Do they depreciate at the rate of 25%% per annum?

;)
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Dec 10 2007, 08:28 PM
No need to say sorry, John.  Its just my weird sense of humour.  Fixtures and fittings, eh?  Do they depreciate at the rate of 25%% per annum?

;)

It is a wonder that some of the UK bodies concerned with the preservation of historical buildings have not brought claims for compensation against those responsible for some of the acts of vandalism carried out in the name of 'spirit of V2 reordering' during the last 40 years!

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John Sweeney
Dec 10 2007, 08:11 PM
.............. Bit like Father Chuck and Sister Sandal ( I hope I have those names right).

John

B) Actually its Sister Sandals.

Father Chuck is the US version of Father Folkmass.

One has to get these things right John.

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I fully agree with you about the Tablet. I wouldn't buy it either. Week after week it carries disloyal and heterodox articles. It is committed to a modernist and secularist agenda. It has a very negative influence, which extends even to the ecclesiastical bureaucracy in this country.

I would dearly love to put this vile rag out of business, or have it reclassified as a non-Catholic journal catering for the wilder reaches of liberal Anglicanism, or even better bring it back as a journal supporting the Magisterium. It beats me that so many Church bookstalls carry this dreadful magazine.

What can we do? I gather it is privately owned. Could we put pressure on the advertisers, or what? Any ideas?

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Other than refrain from purchasing it, I don't know, unless a complaint to the Bishop's Conference would help.

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The Bishops Conference can do nothing about The Tablet calling itself a Catholic paper, because"Catholic" is not a registered trademark. I imagine that legally, the view would be taken that many organisation call themselves Catholic - Old Catholic, Anglo Catholic and so on. I am no lawyer, but I do think they are morally guilty of misrepresentation, giving the impression the paper is is associated with the Catholic Church.

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The Tablet is like a mild old auntie or uncle bumbling along in its middle-class Tory way but it is nevertheless a great treasure of Catholic free speech and conscience and in years of reading the Catholic press in most of its English language forms I have never come across anything that touches it for quality writing and an intelligent approach to religion in general and Catholicism in particular. it is a great antidote to the saccharine over-pious attitude that disfigures many Catholic publications.

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Nobody can deny that the articles in The Tablet give the reader something to think about. I gave up buying the others because I found nothing to "get my teeth into".
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We used to have such an ultra-liberal rag in Canada, the Catholic New Times, founded by the likes Sister Mary Jo Leddy and Fr. Gregory Baum.

CNT writers routinely were radical feminists, angry ex-nuns and dissenters of every stripe. For an extensive expose, see http://catholicinsight.com/online/church/education/cnt.shtml

But late last year came the first positive news ever from CNT: the publication shut down "due to insufficient funding." See http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/nov/06111604.htm

It took nearly 30 years in this case, but it did happen. And as all around us cranky, aging dissenters are bemoaning the slow death of their cause, we can see the rapid greying of Catholic dissent in its death throes . . . .

Take heart, people, our Lord promised His Church protection in the form of the Paraclete, the Spirit of Truth, who will guide it into all truth. The Church will last until the end of time; the various heresies and flavour-of-the-month dissenting programs will not.

We need only observe our youth, all those movements, the vibrant new religious orders, the up-and-coming Catholic schools and colleges to know that dissent has bottomed out. As JP II kept reminding us, there is a new spring time around the corner. It likely won't include "The Bitter Pill."
The root problem in a lot of bad catechesis is ultimately not ignorance, but pride. ~ Mark Shea

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Just for the record, the Tablet is very far from being ultra-liberal, as I understand that particular term as used by fundamentalists. I agree there is a gap for a far more liberal journal on Catholicism but seems unlikely to emerge.

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