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The Tablet
Topic Started: Saturday, 6. October 2007, 01:42 (1,091 Views)
Clare
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Rose of York
Oct 6 2007, 09:45 PM
PJD
Oct 6 2007, 09:33 PM
Scroll down, choose an item and click the heading.


Didn't work for me Rose - they all wanted you to register.

PJD

One loses nothing by registering. It is free. Every week registered persons receive an email with links to a selection of free articles.

It's free to print subscribers.

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NOTE FOR NEW SUBSCRIBERS: your online access will only be available after you receive your first paper edition of The Tablet.


So it's not free.

Or have I misunderstood?

I can't find any other type of subscription.

Clare.
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Clare, it is free to all for one week only. I am not a print or online subscriber. I can read the whole magazine.

There is a link on there that takes you to a page that can only be accessed by subscribers. I think you are clicking it.

Rose of York
Oct 6 2007, 12:46 PM
To read this week's issue of the Tablet, Online,

DO NOT CLICK the link in big red letters, that says   This Week’s Tablet FREE

Scroll down, choose an item and click the heading.

The letters page in the left hand column has some very controversial contributions.

Please bear in mind, to comply with copyright law we can post extracts for discussion, but not whole articles, and we must give url links as acknowledgement.

Here is the link again.

Click this link to read it
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Thanks again. It works this time! Previous attempts didn't, for some reason.
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Joseph

Rose of York
Oct 7 2007, 10:20 PM
Joseph
Oct 7 2007, 10:16 PM


Any comments on (Fr) Owen Hardwicke’s letter to The Tablet “Eucharist and community!"?

Joseph didn't you read our lively discussion on the Dutch Dominicans who came up with the idea of laity offering Mass? Our members are far from keen on the idea. It is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Link to the discussion

No, I'm afraid not - sorry, I just can't find the time to read 'everything' that appears in these forums these days. There simply aint enough hours in the day (especially when we have such wonderful weather to enjoy - and I'm sure it would be a sin not to use it to full advantage).

I'm glad to see your group shared my concern over the subject of the Fr Hardwicke letter though.

Two or three years ago, in my ignorance, I took out a six-month subscription to The Tablet, and I'm not sure that I have fully recovered yet. Since then I have never regarded The Tablet as being even remotely Catholic, and if ever I see it for sale at the back of a Catholic church I take it as a warning of what to expect from the clergy of that church. Thankfully our local churches don't seem to give it house room.

What dismays me though is that somehow The Tablet seems to have established itself as an authoritative publication, apparently held in high regard by senior figures in many other faiths - may God forgive them, for they know not what they do (or do they?).
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Joseph
Oct 8 2007, 08:08 PM

I'm glad to see your group shared my concern over the subject of the Fr Hardwicke letter though.

You won't find many signs of disobedience to the magisterium on here, Joseph. We have charismatics, traditionalists, and cross benchers, lots of variety, but we manage to relate well to each other. I am sure we were all united in objecting to the suggestions that we lay people can offer Mass.
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Joseph

Fine!

And on Fr Hardwicke's other points - where he disputes that “the ordained priest represents the faithful to God” at the Eucharist, but only ”presides”, arguing that “otherwise it should follow that he will not receive communion at all” ?

Any thoughts on those two issues?
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As Father Hardwicke apparently fails grasp the uniqueness of the ordained priesthood I wonder why he bothered undergoing six years of priestly formation.
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Joseph

Do you think he is alone in thinking this way?

I suspect our local PP has similar views.
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I am sure he is not alone, Joseph. The Order of Preachers in Holland circulated a document in their parish, calling for laity to be permitted to offer Mass in parishes affected by priest shortage. In my own parish where we used to have one weekday Mass, as of this month we have none. A person who fills a few roles, including EMHC, reader and a representative on the liturgy committee, said we need to move forward in the matter of lay participation as encouraged by Vatican II. It was pretty obvious to me he was thinking alone the lines of "the priesthood of the laity means no special authorisation is needed for anything". The problem as I see it is that most people pick up a smattering of information from Catholic and secular press, but do not expand their search for knowledge. The same man was unaware the Vatican has rules about laity holding "Communion Services" mid week, in a church that has Sunday Mass.

I would like to turn up at Mass, and each week collect a small leaflet, signed by the bishop, taking us step by step through basic teaching on Vatican II and the Holy Mass and Eucharist. If it were not for forums, directing me to Vatican documents, I would not know one tenth of what I know now. There is too much disinformation about.

Some will think The Tablet carries a stamp of authenticity.
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If you click the link for The Tablet, there is a heading on the right Rome - Pope appoints conservatives. That gives access to a lot of pages including small articles including


The Pope has replaced his Master of Ceremonies with a more conservative priest.

Nuns are less likely than the general population to contract alzheimer's.

Catholic university to help train Imams.

The Episcopalean statement on homosexualtiy is 'still unclear'

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Howdy Folks. Has anybody seen my husband lately?
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Joseph

Rose of York
Oct 9 2007, 10:50 PM
...I would like to turn up at Mass, and each week collect a small leaflet, signed by the bishop, taking us step by step through basic teaching on Vatican II and the Holy Mass and Eucharist... 

What version do you think that would be then Rose - that promulgated by the Vatican, or a UK version?

Rose of York
Oct 9 2007, 10:50 PM
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If it were not for forums, directing me to Vatican documents, I would not know one tenth of what I know now.  There is too much disinformation about...

Absolutely, but we Internet-using Catholics are but a tiny minority, and even then we are unable to present a united front.

Many members of these forums are unable or unwilling to accept the directives of the Vatican and the Catechism (even after having read them in detail on-line) and they often seem able to claim support for their approach from within the priesthood, so what chance is there of total conformity?

Sorry to be so depressing about all this but when good Catholics find that their own children are practicing a 'different' Catholic faith to their own, and that their grandchildren (being taught in Catholic Schools) are even further removed from the one true faith taught in the 50's, what is one to make of it all?

It is little wonder that many sooner or later fall by the wayside, for they simply don't know what to believe anymore. The rug has well and truly been pulled from under their feet.
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But Tablet at Christma or have some one buy it as a present; I am surprised how few read it regularly.
Mickens in Rome,a must,( as an example).
The Roman Catholic Church has always been dynamic and in change- early and contemporary theologians are alway disputable; the horizon is very wide.
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Gerard

I prefer the one true faith taught in the 1970s :wh:

;)

Gerry
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How can the One True Faith be otherwise than The One True Faith?
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Gerard
Oct 22 2007, 07:09 PM
I prefer the one true faith taught in the 1970s :wh:

;)

Gerry

I prefer the One True Faith preached in the 0030s...

:wh:
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