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| Lent 2009 Reading Group; Reading together for Lent | |
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| Topic Started: Wednesday, 18. February 2009, 10:02 (560 Views) | |
| Rootfroot | Wednesday, 18. February 2009, 10:02 Post #1 |
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I'd like to use this thread to share discussion of a book during Lent. The book is Benedict XVI's "Lent, the Journey to Easter Joy". You can get it at The Catholic Truth Society or at Amazon. Best to order as soon as possible though, as CTS can take 7 days and Amazon is periodically out of stock. I suggest that we try to read a section every day and simply share thoughts and insights here about the day's reading. As the nominal host I'll do my best to keep the conversation bubbling along. If you have problems getting the book, or if you have any suggestions, do let me know. |
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| Rootfroot | Thursday, 19. February 2009, 21:03 Post #2 |
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Some materials provided online by Arundel Diocese have been recommended to me. So let's use them instead of the booklet by BXVI. You can find them here. I suggest we just read the daily materials and post as thoughts occur to us. Matt |
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| KatyA | Thursday, 19. February 2009, 21:46 Post #3 |
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A & B Lent programme PDF Holy Bible RSVCE The Arundle Diocese material can be downloaded in pdf. format and printed. The recommended texts for each week are not reproduced in full, so the above link to the online edition of RSVCE will be useful. KatyA |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 20. February 2009, 17:54 Post #4 |
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When do we start? |
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| Rootfroot | Friday, 20. February 2009, 23:38 Post #5 |
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I was planning to read the week one material after this weekend and post some thoughts on Monday. I hope other people will give it some prayer and thought after the weekend too, although possibly once we are at Ash Wednesday itself you may feel it is the right time to share something. |
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| Rootfroot | Monday, 23. February 2009, 21:48 Post #6 |
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A phrase in the Philippians text sprang out at me. "in growing conformity with his death" (New English Bible). Very difficult to sound out all its depths. The phrase came back to me when I tried to answer the first question in the notes "In what way does faith in Jesus influence my own life?" How could I ever really say of myself that I live day by day in growing conformity with his death. Strangely enough I recently heard the same phrase used in a documentary about a saint who had patiently endured blindness and paralysis. It stuck in my mind then too. Like Paul she was vividly aware of sharing Christ's sufferings. I get cranky if I'm a bit under the weather. How could I ever hope to 'grow in conformity with his death'? Another image came to mind in connection with that phrase also. I was reading in the Catholic Herald about a Bishop in China imprisoned for 2 and half years for ordaining priests, at the age of 85. If Catholicism were illegal here, as they say, I wonder would there be enough evidence against me to convict. I like that old conversation stopper I'm afraid. |
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| KatyA | Monday, 23. February 2009, 22:10 Post #7 |
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I thought it might be useful to post the texts Gospel of the First Sunday of Lent (Year B): Mark 1:12-15 12* The Spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. 13 And he was in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan; and he was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered to him. 14* Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel." Selected text from St Paul: Philippians 3:5-15 (verse 4 included to give the complete sentence) (4* Though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If any other man thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more:) 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; as to the law a Pharisee, 6 as to zeal a persecutor of the church, as to righteousness under the law blameless. 7 But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 Indeed I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as refuse, in order that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own, based on law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith; 10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 that if possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. 12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect; but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. 13 Brethren, I do not consider that I have made it my own; but one thing I do, forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let those of us who are mature be thus minded; and if in anything you are otherwise minded, God will reveal that also to you. |
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| Rootfroot | Tuesday, 24. February 2009, 11:33 Post #8 |
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Thank you KatyA |
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| KatyA | Tuesday, 24. February 2009, 20:11 Post #9 |
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Again, from the A & B material for ease of reference
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| KatyA | Tuesday, 24. February 2009, 20:22 Post #10 |
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I have read the texts, and thought about them, but so far, don't feel the urge to comment. Instead, sadly, I found myself wondering why I find St. Paul so difficult to like. Reading the text above, my initial reaction was that he is saying - Look at me, been there, done that worn the tee shirt, ate the meat pies. Where is his sorrow for previous persecutions? He may as well wear one of those "it's all about me" shirts. Then I read it again and considered all the comments in the "Acts" thread. The sorrow is there, (could that be the "thorn in his side" he mentions elsewhere?) he isn't talking about himself but the change Jesus brought about in him and he desperately wants everyone to come to realise that God will make this change in us when we turn to him. Perhaps I'm just jealous because Paul's conversion was so dramatic. KatyA |
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| Rootfroot | Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 08:38 Post #11 |
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I find him difficult to like too. What makes it especially challenging here is the fact that he clearly believes totally in the mercy of God in respect of his former life. Feeling totally forgiven is something that most of us find very difficult. |
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| OsullivanB | Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 21:49 Post #12 |
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I think we'd find it a lot easier if Jesus had shown up in person and told us so. Saul had an advantage not given to most of us. After all, he didn't seek Christ. It appears to have been the other way round.
Edited by OsullivanB, Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 21:50.
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| James | Wednesday, 25. February 2009, 23:09 Post #13 |
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2. We are all called to serve the Gospel. How do I discern my calling? In what ways can I build up the kingdom of God? This verse struck me. We are called to serve the gospel !!. How do I discern my calling ? I think many people may never discern. Will it be found in reading the gospels, going to mass and attending the sacraments or is it all more subtle and the inward voice that whispers. Take for example, one has decided that marriage is the calling, preconceived ideas about the future - three children I think - two girls and a boy - best schools - good jobs. Yes, I will do it properly and my children will a fine example of good upbringing. That is my calling. Then the first child is born deformed and the calling gives way to anger and frustration. I have done everything right and look what has happened. All sorts of emotions fester for years under the surface - when all the time the real calling was to look after and love a deformed child. As Leonard Cohen wrote - "watch for the cracks , that's where the light gets in." Edited by James, Thursday, 26. February 2009, 02:12.
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| Rootfroot | Thursday, 26. February 2009, 10:16 Post #14 |
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Strange that even Jesus himself seems to have struggled with his vocation. The account of Jesus 40 days in the wilderness in Matthew 4 is much less bald than Marks account that we read here. Jesus appears to have been tempted by a variety of illusory 'vocations' that were in fact not the call of God. In the same way, a sense of vocation can sometimes be a dangerous temptation for us - a sense of call to something glamourous and high profile, gratifying to our self-image, or comfortable and rewarding. What weapons does Jesus deploy to expose the illusions? Fasting and the Word of God. If it's good enough for him ... |
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| KatyA | Thursday, 26. February 2009, 11:05 Post #15 |
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I have posted a commentary on this Sunday's gospel HERE That makes much more sense to me than saying that "Jesus himself seems to have struggled with his vocation." Jesus is God - he knew exactly what His Father wanted of Him. KatyA |
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