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| Topic Started: Tuesday, 6. January 2009, 15:47 (1,348 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 00:18 Post #31 |
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Clare and Mairtin Romans 12 0 love one another with brotherly affection; outdo one another in showing honor. You're both doing fine, bless you! |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 10:48 Post #32 |
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In my culture, a plate of cocktail sausages is a traditional peace offering.![]() |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 10:59 Post #33 |
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You folks do some funny things at Mass! Why can't you just shake hands, have a cuddle and be done with it? |
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| Deleted User | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 11:05 Post #34 |
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I need to side with Clare on this one Rose. The Council of Trent decreed that the only permitted peace offering was cocktail sausages. These must not be received in the hand though. See the Council decree " Pax Vobiscum Nihil sed Rolliupmeatus" John |
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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 11:10 Post #35 |
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I was going to offer you one of these but I thought it might lead to all sorts of confusion with some of the moderators. ![]()
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| K.T.B. | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 11:13 Post #36 |
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Tell you what, I really don't like the labels "traditionalist","modernist", "charismatic" etc. when applied to Catholics. Isn't the term "Catholic" enough? With the first label in particular, I feel marginalised, as if I'm not regarded as an authentic Catholic by those who apply the term to themselves and yet, as far as I'm aware, my practices are traditional. I receive the sacraments regularly, I love God and frequently pray for the intercession of Our Lady and the saints, accept the authority of the Pope..I could go on. It's a bit like some evangelical Christian groups describing themselves as "Christians", implying that the rest of us aren't! As for the term "modernist", well, I'm afraid I've never met a Catholic of this description and I don't really know what it means. Could we not describe ourselves as "Catholics who prefer the older form of the Mass and traditional pieties", or "Catholics who find charismatic style worship a helpful path to God", it's a bit of a mouthful, but it means we move away from these unhelful, divisive stereotypes. Most Catholics in the Church I know are somewhere in the middle, like Rose's trad-mod or mod-trad and would probably just describe themselves as "practising". I know these terms are used in jest on this thread but I wanted to get it off my chest.
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| Deleted User | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 11:15 Post #37 |
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Yes katie B I think you are spot on with this. John |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 12:11 Post #38 |
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It used to be. |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 12:11 Post #39 |
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A strawberry cream please, Mairtin! |
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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 12:50 Post #40 |
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Even though I wrote that little story, Katie, I actually agree with you 100%; the latest such term is "orthodox" which I particularly detest. I'm getting tired of having to keep saying this it but I regard the spiritual fulfilment I get from the way I practise my religion - which happens to be centred around the Novus Ordo - as a very personal thing; if someone else is getting spiritual fulfilment in a different way, then I'm absolutely delighted for them but I do expect the same attitude in return. To be honest, I don't give a tuppeny you-know-what whether they are getting it from practices that are pre-Vatican II, post-Vatican II or nothing whatsoever to do with Vatican II, all that matters is that what they are doing is acceptable to the Church and that they are getting that fulfilment; if that is so then I respect their preferences and I'm very, very happy for them. Is it wrong to ask them to be equally respectful and happy for me? I wrote the story to bring out that point, not to reinforce the labels. |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 13:25 Post #41 |
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Not around God?
Of course. That's why the traditionalist gets soundly trashed as a pharisee who talks loftily, has no personal cares, and thanks God he is better than everyone else and that sinners should be ostracised; whereas the non-trad gets exalted as a humble person who cares.Like I said. A travesty. Inverted pharisaism, too. The main subtext to the parable is "I thank God that I am so much more humble than these awful traditionalists, about whom I actually know precious little. But they seem only concerned with externals. They've never had any problems. I'm sure they would avoid sinners, if they ever met any. Whereas, I am so much more Christ-like! Better, in fact, because not only do I not condemn sinners, I don't condemn sin either!" Can I have that strawberry cream now please? |
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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 13:37 Post #42 |
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Oh, that's right ... I keep forgetting that God isn't part of the Novus Ordo. ![]() |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 13:44 Post #43 |
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God is not synonymous with the Novus Ordo. (Nor is He synonymous with the Tridentine Rite, before you ask!) |
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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 13:53 Post #44 |
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I'm sorry, Clare, but if you want to have a pedantic argument about whether or not it is wrong for a Catholic to describe the Mass as the centre of the way they practice their religion, you'll have to look elsewhere for somebody to argue it with. |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 7. January 2009, 13:55 Post #45 |
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If a person's religion centres around the Novus Ordo Mass, it must be centred arouind God who is truly present, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity at said Masses. I have a feeling per se should have been in that sentence, but I'm not sure what it means.
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That's why the traditionalist gets soundly trashed as a pharisee who talks loftily, has no personal cares, and thanks God he is better than everyone else and that sinners should be ostracised; whereas the non-trad gets exalted as a humble person who cares.

3:42 PM Jul 11