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| Topic Started: Friday, 2. January 2009, 18:34 (572 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Saturday, 3. January 2009, 16:37 Post #16 |
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Ah, now we have it! The old Myers Briggs tests which made fortunes for the type of management consultant beloved of Carlo. Totally spurious ( I never came out well for instance) but I doubt if even its most cynical opponents would claim it would endanger your immortal soul. Bore it to death, certainly. John |
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| OsullivanB | Saturday, 3. January 2009, 20:16 Post #17 |
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It has many other applications some allegedly spiritual and others uncompromisingly New Age.
Edited by OsullivanB, Sunday, 4. January 2009, 00:34.
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| "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer | |
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| Emee | Saturday, 3. January 2009, 21:23 Post #18 |
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The Enneagram session could be followed with a Belbin analysis of one's role in a team, followed by Maslow's levels of need, followed by a Colour Wheel - someone once told me they thought I was a 'yellow' though I have never undertaken the test so have no idea what that means... |
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| Deleted User | Saturday, 3. January 2009, 21:33 Post #19 |
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Article by Fr Mitch Pacwa |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 3. January 2009, 22:07 Post #20 |
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Thank you for that, WIlliam. I found the document on the Vatican website. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR CULTURE PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE JESUS CHRIST THE BEARER OF THE WATER OF LIFE A Christian reflection on the “New Age”
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 3. January 2009, 22:35 Post #21 |
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Aylesford Priory was still doing Enneagram courses in 2008. http://www.thefriars.org.uk/retreatpilgrim/retreatprog.htm Please note, the words on PJD's quoted words are not PJD's words, they are advice given to him by his friend who is familiar with the spirituality of this subject. What I cannot grasp is this business of identifying one's Personality Type. We are meant to do our best to achieve perfection, categorising ourselves as types can give us excuses for our failings. The personality types and the animals symbolizing them are: 1. Perfectionist/reformer, terrier 2. Helper, cat 3. Status-seeker, peacock 4. Artist, basset hound 5. Thinker, fox 6. Loyalist, rabbit 7. Fun-loving/generalist, monkey 8. Powerful, rhinoceros 9. Peacemaker, elephant. Fine, if I am type 3 the status thinker, I don't have to help, think or be a peacemaker. I was not made that way, so it is not my fault if I am weak in those areas. I can leave those things to types 2, 5 and 9. Being type 3 I'll stick to being the way I was made - the status-seeker. No need to strive for perfection either, that is for type 1. UNCHRISTIAN GARBAGE. DANGEROUS. |
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| Quicunque vult | Sunday, 4. January 2009, 00:30 Post #22 |
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Well, well! Here we have a topic with a remarkable degree of unanimity, with which I am only too happy to be associated. QV |
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| Bob Crowley | Sunday, 4. January 2009, 00:56 Post #23 |
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I attended a session on the enneagram some years ago run by a Catholic nun, who had worked previously with Fr. Robert Nogosek, an American priest, who has written at least one book on the enneagram. Like I said, there was no spiritual mumbo-jumbo, and in the long run it is a psychological tool. The main value is to find out what personality type you are, and the negative aspects you are inclined towards as a part of that personality type, in order to work against them. It may have had Sufi origins, but then Freud was Jewish, and who's been to a psychiatrist lately? So what? Incidentally I don't even think about it much, and hadn't given it much thought until I saw the topic raised here. |
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| Bob Crowley | Sunday, 4. January 2009, 01:24 Post #24 |
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Only if you've got the tail feathers to match. There are nine main personality types typified by a symbol eg. peacock. I'll give a brief rundown, and you can make your own choice. As usual with human beings, there's an overlap. Nobody would be one type exclusively. The summary is based on one of Nogosek's books. And I'm not writing any more. If anybody wants to find out their personality types, they really need to do a questionnaire, which would probably be given during a formal presentation. The exacting "One" - symbol Terrier - Postitives - Dedicated to perfection. (I think this is my wife's area, somehow). Hardworking. Believes in being direct and honest (that's my wife again!) Negatives - not good with anger. Preoccupied with faults. Resentment. The ingratiating "Two" - symbol Cat - Positives - Dedicated to being helpful. High value on personal relationships. Non-judgemental. Negatives - propensity to flattery. Multiple selves (trying to please too many people). Only interested in relationship matters. The ambitious "Three" - symbol Peacock - Positives - Time a vehicle for getting things done. Good talker. Focus on achievement. Negatives - takes on too much. Avoid failure at all costs. Self seeking. Indolent if he crashes. The misunderstood "Four" - symbol Basset Hound - Positives - Very sensitive to dramatic moments eg. death, farewells. Aesthetic. Charming. Nostalgic. Negatives - Brooding, melancholic. Fantazing. Focus on what is missing. Hyper sensitive.Self Pity. The aloof "Five" - symbol Fox - Positives - Withdraws from others to think. Reflects on observations. Quiet. Witty. Negatives - avoid people. Stinginess. Aloofness from other people. (I think I've got some of this in me as well as the peacock). The apprehensive "six" - symbol Rabbit - Positives - punctual. Work overtime, Driven to do the right thing. Negatives - self doubt. Apprehensive. Indecisive. Overly serious. The sanguine "seven" - symbol Monkey - Positives - good natured, sanguine and jovial. Nice person. Great talker. Negatives - avoid tension and pain. Superficial. Planning instead of doing. The bossy "eight" - symbol Rhinoceros - Positives - Powerful sense of justice. Fighter. Strong person. Strong statesman. Negatives - See weakness as a great evil. Retaliates. Intimidates. Cantankerous - likes a fight. The laid back "nine" - symbol Elephant - Positives - Good at getting people together. Likes a routine. To be is to be content. Negatives - Indolence. Lack of energy. Unfocused. In the spiritual sense, there is talk of what is called the "Holy Idea", in that each personality type can serve God better in some ways that other ways. I don't think about the "Holy Idea" bit much, since in reality the ways we can serve God are often limited by circumstances. A "bossy eight" who becomes a Christian in jail is in a very different position to a "bossy eight" who might be running a non-profit charitable group. |
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| sumermamma | Thursday, 8. January 2009, 20:46 Post #25 |
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Rose of York, It is obviously a humanistic tool to determine personaity types. Personally I feel ot is just another method to pigeon hole people. sm a link may help.http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/intro.asp |
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| sumermamma | Friday, 9. January 2009, 01:37 Post #26 |
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Rose of York, It is necessary for the so called "intelligentia" to catagorize or name people, things and the like. Codify may be an appropriate word. it's potential use is like a bar code. You "fit" a certain catagory, receive the appropriate bar code and forever you will be exactly what your bar code defines, irrespective of what changes you make in your life or circumstances, you're bar coded.. It's not a game and it is not harmless, it's a direction the so called "intelligentia" wish to go. sm |
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| Clare | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 10:24 Post #27 |
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Putting the "Fun Dame" into Fundamentalist
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Middlesbrough Diocese. Nuff said!
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| Joe Valente | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 10:42 Post #28 |
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Reckon I must be the bull in the china shop. ! So I better stay away from these enneagrams lest I do some damage. I know, I will just go to Mass instead and say a few old fashioned prayers and hope that the big Rancher has room for a tired old bull to run around the heavenly pastures. |
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