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Enneagram
Topic Started: Friday, 2. January 2009, 18:34 (573 Views)
Rose of York
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Do any members have knowledge of the Enneagram? I see that a Christian retreat centre is running a course. I cannot work out whether it is Christian.

http://www.ammerdown.org/EnneagramPartOne.htm
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No it isn't. I have some information somewhere and I'll try to find it. (If nobody beats me to it)
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Gerard

At best nonsense
At worst dangerous
Christians should leave well alone.
Sorry cant say more just now (am off out).

more later

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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PJD

I think there is a topic on here, or was, about this subjecct.

Vaguely remembering that JARay and myself agreed - it was to be avoided.

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Gerard
Friday, 2. January 2009, 18:44
At best nonsense
At worst dangerous
Christians should leave well alone.
Sorry cant say more just now (am off out).

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Gerry
Well said.

'Nuff said.
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Two Ursuline Sisters, Sisters Felicity Young and Margaret Lyth are teaching this method of oral tradition, according to the website provided by Rose. This is relating to inner reflection which has always been part of Christian tradition - also something we're suppose to do prior to going into the confessional.

If you are not sure about something like this caution would be well advised. If it is genuinly Christian in nature and not harmful, this will eventually reveal itself. If it isn't it would be best left well alone - but again, this will reveal itself in due course.

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Rose of York
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PJD
Friday, 2. January 2009, 18:46
I think there is a topic on here, or was, about this subjecct.

Vaguely remembering that JARay and myself agreed - it was to be avoided.

PJD
We did have one,it must have been on our old forum. Some old threads have been merged or archived, but not that one, and nothing has ever been totally deleted. Using our Seardh facility I sought the word Enneagram, it does not appear anywhere but in this thread.
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I think the enneagram is fairly accurate as a portrayal of certain human characterisitics. If you're being trained by Christians or Catholic sisters, there need be no spiritual mumbo-jumbo involved (although if you were being trained through some new age group, there might be). It originated from the Sufi mystic tradition of Islam. These days it has been re-interpreted through the lens of modern psychiatry and psychology.

All it means is that there are 9 main characteristics for human personality. I'm a "three" for example, for which the symbol is a "peacock". If I get depressed or down, the enneagram indicates that I will tend to move towards indolence (the laidback "9" type), or doing nothing, and which in my experience is accurate. So I have to be careful to work against this trend, by keeping commitments for example. I have to work towards a "6" type, who wants to "....fulfil all the external duties demanded of me by the laws and regulations coming from some authority." My old pastor was a '6', a real stickler for keeping commitments and working 25 hours a day.

It's just another psychology tool, which initially arose out of a Sufi mystic tradition, and is interesting. If your teachers are Christian, I don't think you've got too much to worry about.
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If you're being trained by Christians or Catholic sisters, there need be no spiritual mumbo-jumbo involved

Incredible naivete. Some of these sisters (and brothers) and Priests who hawk around the Enneagram need to be Excommunicated, and quickly. They lead the faithful very far astray.

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It originated from the Sufi mystic tradition of Islam.

Therefore, not Christian.

Leave well alone, it is evil, wicked and corrupt. And don't take my word for it - read the Vatican document on the so called New Age movement Jesus Christ, bearer of water (title misremembered I think).
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Sorry, forgot. Ammerdown, been there, nice enough place. 'Christian' in that vague, left-leaning way of Anglicanism. Is noted for its ecumenical dialogue work, they have weekends on 'get to know' Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Hindhuism, etc.
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If you want to learn about Christianity, avoid it.

If you want to learn about psychlogy, then an intoductory book would be both more useful and more accurate.

If you want to learn all about mumbo jumbo, please come to me for private lessons. It will cost you less than is charged by some of the self-proclaimed 'gurus' on the web.
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william of bow
Saturday, 3. January 2009, 14:45
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If you're being trained by Christians or Catholic sisters, there need be no spiritual mumbo-jumbo involved

Incredible naivete. Some of these sisters (and brothers) and Priests who hawk around the Enneagram need to be Excommunicated, and quickly. They lead the faithful very far astray.

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It originated from the Sufi mystic tradition of Islam.

Therefore, not Christian.

Leave well alone, it is evil, wicked and corrupt. And don't take my word for it - read the Vatican document on the so called New Age movement Jesus Christ, bearer of water (title misremembered I think).
Can you give me a concrete example of someone who's been led "very far astray' by using the enneagram to back up your assertion, or are you just fearful of it's alleged New Age connotations?
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This is fascinating! More details please from those who know what this is all about. I had mistaken the title for that unpleasant medical procedure using a chalky fluid and a funnel but if anything the reality suggests something even more intriguing. How do you calculate your number? Please can I be a peacock too for the first time in my life?


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Gerard
Friday, 2. January 2009, 18:44
At best nonsense
At worst dangerous
Christians should leave well alone.
Sorry cant say more just now (am off out).

more later

Gerry
Gerard. Sit down.

I agree with you!!!
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PJD


Rose: I do have a record on what I posted on here - but that's all. It relates to some advice I asked from a friend, and I relayed on here his/her text. Remember please what is below isn't mine, but someone else familiar with the spirituality of this subject. So have have put it below in italics:-

In order to maintain a complete sense of confidentiality I have set out below an “edited” text of the advice I received. It reads as follows:


To be honest I know nothing about the Enneagram! …..some 17 years ago I visited Aylesford and it seemed that you could not move in the bookshop for titles on the Enneagram. That is very different now - probably as a result of the criticism you mentioned.

The Enneagram is linked to the Myers Briggs Psychometric Test which is widely used in recruitment It might be useful to find out what type of personality you are, which might help with the choice of what sort of spirituality suits you. Some people can't take Ignatian Spiritual Exercises, for example, whereas others find them enormously beneficial. Others find Franciscan spirituality not to their taste but many find it wonderful and completely fulfilling. However, it is probably the second and third Enneagram steps that could be taken which may be the area of concern

Looking at a very few sites on the Internet the name of Jung came up a few times and it is probably this that worries the Church so much. Jung is not popular with the Church - and if you were disposed to read anything by him then it would probably become clear why that is so.


I would not attend anything given on the Enneagram because of the danger of taking it too seriously. Scripture says that "Jesus did not trust himself to everyone because he knew what was in a man. I would think the danger of the Enneagram is that people stay where they are (and think that that is acceptable to God) rather than moving on in holiness.


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