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Cherie Blair to speak at Pontifical Uni; St Thomas Angelicum
Topic Started: Thursday, 4. December 2008, 23:31 (658 Views)
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Cheri Blair is a junior judge, a barrister, and is in demand as a speaker throughout the English speaking world, due to her legal work in connection with human rights. She is also one of the leading Company Lawyer barristers in the United Kingdom. The lady has succeeded in her own career.

Those who hear Mrs Blair speak at the Pontifical University will do well to hear what she has to say, and challenge if they disagree with her. They are not at University to be protected and molly coddled, if they are not exposed to a variety of viewpoints, they will never be equipped to defend Church teaching.
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Well said Rose!

And of course those who disagree with what she says should express their disagreements openly in whatever way they can.

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Yes Rose hits the nail on the head. Are we to exclude all those with views we don't agree with? Surely in a university of all places the aim should be to invite people who will challenge accepted views and provoke debate and argument?

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Surely in a university of all places the aim should be to invite people who will challenge accepted views and provoke debate and argument?


If you mean in a Devil's advocate sense, I can see the point. Our faith will not be very strong if it cannot be tested against opposing views.

But I worry that C Blair has been invited as though she was a Catholic in good standing. As long as people go in with their eyes open...

So often heterodox views have gone unchallenged because it is thought impolite to question them, or that somehow they have become the accepted teaching of the Church.

If this woman really does agree with abortion and condoms, hopefully they will let her have what for!

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I remember a few years ago reading a blog by an American student at the Angelicum.

When a lecturer taught something that was directly opposed to the teaching of the church, the students challenged him. When he refused to back down, the students reported him to the authorities. He was gone within a few days.

So it is possible that Mrs. Blair will have to answer some very tough questions. I certainly hope so.

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SeanJ
Monday, 8. December 2008, 23:40
When a lecturer taught something that was directly opposed to the teaching of the church, the students challenged him.
Just like this forum!

We had someone who said moderators should have deleted heretical comments made in postings. My response to that was, the members were given a golden opportunity to counteract the heresy by explaining the true teaching of the Church.

I am confident the staff and students of the Pontifical University will not regard Mrs Blair as a person invited as an authority on doctrinal matters.
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To the best of my knowledge--and I venture to suggest that this is true for all members of this Forum--Mrs Blair is indeed a Catholic in good standing. Certainly she attends Mass at Catholic churches and receives Communion regulalrly. This includes doing so at Westminster Cathedral and receiving Communion from the Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster, the ranking churchman in England. As has been pointed out, she has been received in both her official capacity and in her personal one by John Paul II and the then Cardinal Ratzinger and then by the latter as Pope.

And if SeanJ is right about how the students reacted to the person with whom they disagreed then what a pathetic bunch they must have been. Let's hope the new intake is made of better catholic stuff than to go whinging to the authorities.

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John Sweeney
Tuesday, 9. December 2008, 15:41
And if SeanJ is right about how the students reacted to the person with whom they disagreed then what a pathetic bunch they must have been. Let's hope the new intake is made of better catholic stuff than to go whinging to the authorities.

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A person who deliberately persists in teaching that the Catholic Church is wrong does not belong on the faculty of a Catholic university. Let me give you two possibilities.

1. A professor says "Teaching ABC as taught by the Catholic Church is wrong." In my opinion that professor should not be drawing a salary from a Catholic university. Students who go to a Catholic university to study theology do so to learn what the Catholic Church teaches.

2. A professor says "Teaching ABC as taught by the Catholic Church is not accepted by Protestants. How would you defend that teaching?" This professor is teaching students to think and to defend their faith. Which is what teaching is supposed to be about.

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John Sweeney
Tuesday, 9. December 2008, 15:41
And if SeanJ is right about how the students reacted to the person with whom they disagreed then what a pathetic bunch they must have been. Let's hope the new intake is made of better catholic stuff than to go whinging to the authorities.
John the difference is, Mrs Blair will be speaking as a guest, not as a lecturer who is a member of staff. If a protestant minister gining a talk to Catholics, said the Catholic Church's teaching was wrong, I would question him and put the Catholic point of view. On the other hand, if a Catholic priest did the same thing, that would be a different situation and it would be right to report the matter.
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I don't agree Rose and SeanJ. If a priest did say he thought the Church's teachings were wrong in certain areas then he should be cherished as someone who has a mind of his own. Certainly his views should be challenged vigorously but so should those of any priest lecturer who slavishly promotes orthodoxy. The latter does more damage to Catholicism than any rebel because people rightly despise this sort of non-thinking adherence to a code.

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John I am not unthinking, I believe in Catholicism because thinking led me examine its teachings, and I came to the conclusion it is authorised by Christ and protected from error.
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Tuesday, 9. December 2008, 23:14
Certainly his views should be challenged vigorously but so should those of any priest lecturer who slavishly promotes orthodoxy. The latter does more damage to Catholicism than any rebel because people rightly despise this sort of non-thinking adherence to a code.

That depends, do you mean doctrinal orthodoxy, or the sort of orthodoxy that says rituals and vestments should never be altered? I disagree with some current administrative practises in the Church and I see no harm in saying so., nor do i have any problem with others having tastes in music or preferences for one Rite of Mass or another.
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Tuesday, 9. December 2008, 23:14
I don't agree Rose and SeanJ. If a priest did say he thought the Church's teachings were wrong in certain areas then he should be cherished as someone who has a mind of his own. Certainly his views should be challenged vigorously but so should those of any priest lecturer who slavishly promotes orthodoxy. The latter does more damage to Catholicism than any rebel because people rightly despise this sort of non-thinking adherence to a code.
People who go to a Catholic university to study theology do so to learn what the code is.

If a professor refuses to teach that code, then he should not get a salary from a Catholic university.
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By coincidence, this appears on John Smeaton's blog
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Tony Blair has now teamed up with one of Canada's best-known pro-abortion figures. Belinda Stronach (also pictured), a prominent businesswoman and former MP, has joined her foundation with Mr Blair's Faith Foundation in order to promote the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs). The British government under Tony Blair interpreted the MDGs as including a universal right to abortion on demand. When an MP, Belinda Stronach said that women's groups should only receive government funding if they are pro-abortion. The Blair-Stronach partnership will also promote the Faith Acts Fellowship, which the Tony Blair Faith Foundation runs in partnership with the InterFaith Youth Core. The InterFaith Youth Core is bankrolled by major pro-abortion foundations.

How much more evidence do religious leaders need about the close-knit ties of Mr & Mrs Blair to the culture of death before they realise they must act to block the Blairs' infiltration of faith communities?
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I'll stick to Christian faith.
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