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The telly and the radio
Topic Started: Monday, 27. October 2008, 15:48 (1,052 Views)
Emee
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Personally Rose - although I was disgusted with Russell Brand and less so with Jonathan Ross, I can't help wondering if they are some sort of scapegoats.

Let me explain. This was not a live show - it had been pre-recorded therefore some people somewhere allowed it to go out on the air. It could be argued that Brand got carried away in the spur of the moment. The same could not be said for someone whose job it is to edit productions. He or she or they would have listened to that recording, maybe several times, and then in the cold light of day and in an act of deliberation agreed it could go out on the air.

That to me is more of a sin than juvenile, thoughtless antics on the "shop floor" as it were.

That is why I think these two have been scape goats because the action taken against them has saved the necks of those higher up the ladder, or the BBC pecking order.

In answer to your last post, I wish it were the case, but frankly, without mass conversions to Christianity at the BBC, I wouldn't bet on it...
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Emee
Friday, 31. October 2008, 00:03
Personally Rose - although I was disgusted with Russell Brand and less so with Jonathan Ross, I can't help wondering if they are some sort of scapegoats.
Emee haven't you heard? The controller of BBC2 has resigned. You have a point, about the person who edits pre recorded programmes.
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Oh gosh!

No I hadn't heard the latest Rose...

It kind of makes my post a bit redundant then doesn't it...

Well I think that was the noble thing to do - and puts the cap on my scapegoat theory.

I still think that editors have got away with this sort of thing for far too long though - and that includes editors of tabloid newspapers and magazines also.
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Emee
Friday, 31. October 2008, 00:17
Oh gosh!

No I hadn't heard the latest Rose...

It kind of makes my post a bit redundant then doesn't it...

Well I think that was the noble thing to do - and puts the cap on my scapegoat theory.
Emee we cannot be sure it was noble. There are times when people resign in preference to dismissal.

I am not familiar with the current rules for pension funds for public servants. It used to be that if you were dismissed for serious misconduct you retained the pension fund you personally had paid for, but lost the employer's contribution. Miscreants awaiting final decision on threatened dismissal would simply hand in their notice, which would be accepted with immediate effect.
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Thursday, 30. October 2008, 23:46
The BBC used to be a great role model, for standards of decency and good manners. It will be interesting to see whether today's events lead to a return to those standards.
Who decides what is a good standard of decency, Middle England, the Daily Mail?

What may be not very decent to you, may be perfectly acceptable to someone else.
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Rose of York
Friday, 31. October 2008, 00:12
Emee
Friday, 31. October 2008, 00:03
Personally Rose - although I was disgusted with Russell Brand and less so with Jonathan Ross, I can't help wondering if they are some sort of scapegoats.
Emee haven't you heard? The controller of BBC2 has resigned. You have a point, about the person who edits pre recorded programmes.
Sad, she was one of the best controller on BBC radio for years, and was respected across the board.
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When I was even younger than you are now there was a programme called That Was The Week That Was (TW3 to its admirers).It got up the nose of middle England. The leading light grew up to be Sir David Frost. Much the same arguments were rehearsed then ( and there's always a handful of programmes of that kind). I suppose really I'm just rather bored with the young behaving badly and mistaking it for being entertaining.

There is I think an added dimension of cruelty to the vulnerable which has been made fashionable principally by reality shows. Most 78 year old faded artistes fall into that category.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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I like the challenging programmes as I am anti establishment, I take great pleasure in comedians taking on an elitist media and attitude.

They sometimes speak for the forgotten working class and somewhat of an underclass by taking on those who think they own and run the country.
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Much of the BBC thread was repetitive, and there were personal comments. It has been tidied up, what remains appears to be a reasonable discussion, now merged with the thread called "The Telly." Now called The Telly and the radio. Moderators have done their best, to retain the flow of conversation. We suggest that discussion now be widened to cover other aspects of TV coverage. Perhaps we could all comment on religious, and childrens programmes to increase interest?
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Joseph Dylong
Friday, 31. October 2008, 00:38
Rose of York
Thursday, 30. October 2008, 23:46
The BBC used to be a great role model, for standards of decency and good manners. It will be interesting to see whether today's events lead to a return to those standards.
Who decides what is a good standard of decency, Middle England, the Daily Mail?

What may be not very decent to you, may be perfectly acceptable to someone else.
God decides. And there are objective standards.

Some people think certain things that Catholics believe are sinful are perfectly acceptable.

The Church does have guidelines about what is and what is not acceptable entertainment. Much of it is just plain Catholic common sense.

You can't stop being a Catholic when you switch the tv or radio on.
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Joseph Dylong
Friday, 31. October 2008, 01:49
I like the challenging programmes as I am anti establishment, I take great pleasure in comedians taking on an elitist media and attitude.

They sometimes speak for the forgotten working class and somewhat of an underclass by taking on those who think they own and run the country.
I'm anti-establishment too.

Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand are establishment. They're on BBC Radio 2!!!

It's precisely our sick establishment which is responsible for corrupting people's minds with offensive rubbish such as we are discussing here.

Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand are middle class too.

I think the working class might just be pretty insulted to think that this material is meant to appeal to them.
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Saturday, 1. November 2008, 12:35
I think the working class might just be pretty insulted to think that this material is meant to appeal to them.
Yes, Clare, I am sure they would.

Matt Talbot is a fine example of a poor Catholic, with high standards of morality.
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"Perhaps we could all comment on religious, and childrens programmes to increase interest?"

I would say comment on the lack of religious programmes to comment on!

Even most Songs of Praise programmes are repeated items from past programmes gathered together under a suitable title. Recently they were under the name of a city or town but in practice included other places probably about 30 miles away. I think people in the Irish Republic are even complaining about the reduction of religious programmes on Irish TV.

Also, since the demise of Children's Hours we have about 12 hours wall to wall carpeting of cartoons on two BBC Channels for children and an occasional programme on BBC1.
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Saturday, 1. November 2008, 13:42
Also, since the demise of Children's Hours we have about 12 hours wall to wall carpeting of cartoons on two BBC Channels for children and an occasional programme on BBC1.
During the school holidays morning programmes aimed at adults are replaced by childrens' programmes. I feel for the people who cannot leave their homes, they are denied their programmes. What message does it send out to the children? It can be beneficial to parents and children, to have some childrens programmes in the morning but I would prefer to see morning, noon and early evening have a good mix.
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EWTN do some wonderful childrens programmes in the afternoon. In fact, some of them are good for adults trying to get the basics of the faith.
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