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The telly and the radio
Topic Started: Monday, 27. October 2008, 15:48 (1,056 Views)
Rose of York
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Joseph Dylong
Tuesday, 28. October 2008, 01:22
Jonathan Ross and Russel Brand are funny (sometimes, maybe most) and should not be sacked, the media should back off and leave them alone.

I pay my licence fee, and the BBC shouldnt just cater for a middle class elite who are a bunch of snobs, but a cross section of society.
So, I take it that because viewers pay a fee, anything goes?

Bullying, torment and abuse are funny to the bullies, tormentors, abusers and their ilk. They are not funny to the victims. I have never watched Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand, it was on another programme (the news, I think) that i saw footage of the incident under complaint
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Well I for one am glad they have both apologised. I don't listen to Russell Brand much but I think Jonathan Woss is absolutely wonderful and am glad he is sitting this out where Russell has resigned.

I'd be happy to share Heaven with either or both of them - it's a plank and a speck thing...
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Great

Brand may have resigned, I think much of that will be due to artistic licence, and him not willing to tone down, and rightfully so. He has much support from my generation and younger.

He has his style that offends, and I hope he keeps it up. That is the nature of comedy, but maybe it doesnt fit in with the middle class elite who dont appreciate Brands form of comedy, which is fringe and to the bone. He pushes boundaries, and I love it.
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Personally it looks to me as if Jonathan Ross just seemed to get carried away in the spur of the moment.

I think Russell Brand is the culpable party here and his phone call was just plain stupid!

Again I am glad they have both apologised.
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Rose of York
Wednesday, 29. October 2008, 20:06
So, I take it that because viewers pay a fee, anything goes?

Bullying, torment and abuse are funny to the bullies, tormentors, abusers and their ilk. They are not funny to the victims. I have never watched Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand, it was on another programme (the news, I think) that i saw footage of the incident under complaint
Yes, most things go and should go before and after the watershed. Society has changed, and my generation and younger want and like more hard hitting programmes and comedy.

The BBC has to cater for my generation as well as yours, and Brand represents that kinda thing.

But he doesnt need the BBC, the BBC needed him.

There is a context to the programme, the man in question was supposed to appear, so they phoned him. Where does this end, finish Graham Norton, how about mock the week, or eastenders etc. Someone will always been offended, and the BBC should carry on regardless of a bunch of people who have had their emotions manipulated.

This has gone OTT, we are in an economic meltdown, and people vented on two talented stars.
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but there have to be certain limits in a civilised country


Not by a witch hunt and trying to silence talented comics. I suspect some people would just be happy with songs of praise, and fluffy TV shows.

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The "lads' mag" style, loud mouthed bullying of an older gentleman over the 'phone, whilst being paid millions of licence fee payers' money, and then its broadcast of it across the nation I find unacceptable.


But then again, some people like me, like the loud mouthed antics of Brand and others whose comedy is on the fringe, pushes boundaries etc. Of course someome may go to far, but thats how it works, people apologise and move on, and this witch hunt has been disgusting.

The media wanted a scalp after failing to get Mandelson or Osbourne so they digged this up 7 days later.
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You don't have to be in your 20's to enjoy the likes of Mock of the Week. I think it's a hilarious show and I love to watch it with my family. On the other hand Little Britain just makes me cringe and even my 20 year old daughter can't bear to watch the likes of the character "Bubbles".

So please don't generalise across generations, thanks.
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Joseph Dylong
Wednesday, 29. October 2008, 20:28
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The "lads' mag" style, loud mouthed bullying of an older gentleman over the 'phone, whilst being paid millions of licence fee payers' money, and then its broadcast of it across the nation I find unacceptable.


But then again, some people like me, like the loud mouthed antics of Brand and others whose comedy is on the fringe, pushes boundaries etc. Of course someome may go to far, but thats how it works, people apologise and move on, and this witch hunt has been disgusting.
In this instance, the loud mouthed antics led to distress of the target.

You say "people like me, like the loud mouthed antics"

So that's how it works, is it?
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The target as you put him was planning to go on the show, surely knowing what to expect.

Yes, I like fringe art, and fringe comedy etc.
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Joseph Dylong
Wednesday, 29. October 2008, 18:40
People ought to get a life instead of contacting the BBC to complain beacuse of what a newspaper claimed, which was out of context.
If anyone needs to get a life it's Ross and Brand. For goodness' sake. They're meant to be adults!


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Joseph Dylong
Wednesday, 29. October 2008, 20:24
Someone will always been offended, and the BBC should carry on regardless of a bunch of people who have had their emotions manipulated.
The people who have really been manipulated are those who have been desensitised and conned into having their intelligence insulted like this, relentlessly, week after week.

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This has gone OTT, we are in an economic meltdown, and people vented on two talented stars.

Now you might be onto something there, that this story is burying something of national or international importance.

Still, I'm incredibly surprised that you are defending them, Joseph. It's not like you!
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Joseph Dylong
Wednesday, 29. October 2008, 20:28
Not by a witch hunt and trying to silence talented comics.
Talent does not give one carte blanche to abuse it. We'll have to answer to God for how we have used our talents. Do you think He'll be impressed with the way they have used theirs?
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Joseph Dylong
Wednesday, 29. October 2008, 20:30
Out of context, did you watch the whole show?
I thought it was on the radio.
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Joseph Dylong
Wednesday, 29. October 2008, 20:24
Society has changed, and my generation and younger want and like more hard hitting programmes and comedy.
My generation, your generation, and younger need to learn that we can't always get what we want.

And sometimes, we have to ask ourselves why we want something. I know this is a "non-religious" part of the forum, but really, as Catholics, the faith should inform everything in our lives including entertainment. We can't just switch it off, and lock God out of the house for an hour or so.

Sometimes we have to sacrifice what we want, until it gets to the point that we don't want it anymore anyway.
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Thursday, 30. October 2008, 00:11
Joseph Dylong
Wednesday, 29. October 2008, 18:40
People ought to get a life instead of contacting the BBC to complain beacuse of what a newspaper claimed, which was out of context.
If anyone needs to get a life it's Ross and Brand. For goodness' sake. They're meant to be adults!


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Free Speech, and artistic licence.


They're not sacred.
Brand and Ross are funny, and thankfully not too serious.

Brand has come from an interesting background, and will conquer America, the BBC needed him to bring in my generation, or do people just want the BBC to appeal to an element of boring middle england. :nono:

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