A gay day for the Army

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A gay day for the Army - perhaps
Topic Started: Friday, 25. July 2008, 08:44 (448 Views)
Paduan	Sunday, 27. July 2008, 16:45 Post #31
Posts: 205 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: December 2, 2007	Patrick Sunday, 27. July 2008, 16:16 Sorry but... I wouldn't want a hom osex ual watching my back in the Armed Forces, he's likely to be preoccupied with shaping his eyebrows or filing his nails. I'd want to know that the man watching my back isn't thinking about how good I look in my uniform! Oh for crying out loud... You don't genuinely believe that, do you?
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Patrick	Sunday, 27. July 2008, 16:59 Post #32
Administrator Posts: 3,629 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	No, of course not!



Paduan	Sunday, 27. July 2008, 17:05 Post #33
Posts: 205 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: December 2, 2007	I think I might have fallen into the Internet Forum trap I warn people about... taking text on a screen too seriously! Oopsie!
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Rose of York	Sunday, 27. July 2008, 17:17 Post #34
Administrator Posts: 14,540 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	william of bow Sunday, 27. July 2008, 16:04 I welcome this enlightened statement from the MoD. About time. What was truly iniquitous about the military of even a few scant years ago was the tendency to 'witchunt'. Having found one hom osex ual they Military Police would just keep on harrassing and questioning and go through peoples address books to find others. Two young women shared a room in a WRAF barrack block. They bought a car between them - oh dear, that was a sign, was it not, that they were in love? Neither ever went out with boys on the base, or from the village. When one went on leave so did the other. It was obvious they were going away "together" as a couple! My friends were taken off duty, their rooms were ransacked, leave and weekend passes cancelled. Naturally, there was gossip, it was impossible to hide the fact that service police had been in their room. If they had asked the rest of the women, we would have told them, we knew already, the two had first met at a recruiting office, when they called to collect their rail warrants they day they joined. They discovered they had grown up a few hundred yards from each other. Both wanted to be drivers, that resulted in them doing basic and trade training together. By a fluke both were posted to the same base on completion of training. They did not go out with the boys, because soon after they joined, both went on leave and both met young men to whom they later got engaged. They were both engaged to men in their home town, and faithful to their fiances, so spent their free time together. In addition, every person who was known to be friendly with those two, was interviewed. There sure was a witch hunt, partly because there had been several criminal trials (under the Official Secrets Act) of people, mainly civilians, blackmailed because of their hom osex uality.[redit][/redit] Edited by Rose of York, Sunday, 27. July 2008, 17:21.
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paul	Sunday, 17. August 2008, 20:14 Post #35
Posts: 75 Group: Members Member #92 Joined: August 3, 2007	I spent 13 years in the RN. This was during the time when hom osex uals were not allowed. Of course there were, I am sure, many hom osex uals who kept their sexuality private for fear of prosecution, court martial and dissmissal. I only came across two examples, both were dismissed the service, it was very upsetting to see two good men having to leave under a cloud, there were a lot of tears. Fortunately, I never experienced what the armed forces have to accept today. If I had the opportunity to share a shower area with an opposite member of my sex, would I become aroused? Of course I would. How would I feel if I noticed a male becoming aroused whilst watching me shower- sick and very annoyed. How would the authorities deal with that scenario I wonder. It is a very sad condition, I do think that hom osex uals could still be blackmailed to reveal classified information even if it was known they had this tendency. Could the armed forces, like the church, demand celibacy from hom osex uals? paul



Rose of York	Sunday, 17. August 2008, 20:24 Post #36
Administrator Posts: 14,540 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	paul Sunday, 17. August 2008, 20:14 Could the armed forces, like the church, demand celibacy from hom osex uals? That would most likely be unlawful under current discrimination legislation. Heterosexual or hom osex ual, the armed forces do not question personnel about what happens in private accommodation between consenting adults. There are plenty of service personnel openly co-habiting with members of the opposite sex and fathering or mothering children of those relationships. They are not disciplined for their sexual activities.
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OsullivanB	Sunday, 17. August 2008, 20:28 Post #37
Posts: 2,196 Group: Moderator Member #205 Joined: August 14, 2008	This is called the Catholic Cyberforum. Where are the Catholic issued in this thread? I.e. what is it about the Roman Catholic faith that offers special insights into the question of whether people whose sexual orentation is to their own sex are appropriate members of the defence forces of their country?



OsullivanB	Sunday, 17. August 2008, 20:36 Post #38
Posts: 2,196 Group: Moderator Member #205 Joined: August 14, 2008	saundthorp Friday, 25. July 2008, 08:44 As a matter of interest, the Romans had gay soldiers, but they confined them to special legions. This is something I haven't heard before. Can you refer me to a source (preferably a Roman one) for this proposition? Are you perhaps thinking of the Sacred Band of Thebes? (For which see Plutarch: Lives: Pelopidas).



Rose of York	Sunday, 17. August 2008, 20:36 Post #39
Administrator Posts: 14,540 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	OsullivanB The issue of hom osex uality is (in my opinion) justifably discussed, from the perspective of morality (as is co-habiting by heterosexual persons). However you have given food for thought. Perhaps the originator of this discussion could say what is specifically Catholic or Christian about whether homosexually orientated persons should serve in the armed forces. My own opinion is, no person should indulge in sexual activity with a person of the same or opposite sex, in a barrack block, a navy mess, a civilian office, a factory floor, a bus stop etc. So, as you say, what have the forces got to do with it? What about student halls of residence or the showers at swimming pools or health clubs? Similar situation.
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OsullivanB	Sunday, 17. August 2008, 20:42 Post #40
Posts: 2,196 Group: Moderator Member #205 Joined: August 14, 2008	Thank you Rose. You have my point exactly.



Rose of York	Sunday, 17. August 2008, 22:02 Post #41
Administrator Posts: 14,540 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	We could broaden the discussion to take in the other situation - mixed sexes in the field of battle, or in the emergency services. Men and women go into battle, together. Do they snuggle up to keep warm? If so, does one person get worried about the other, of the opposite sex, being aroused? One would hope that in battle their minds would be on their duty, but they do go on exercise, when they know that barring accident, their lives are not in danger. Two police officers, a man and a woman, sit in a car together all night, keeping observation. Both are married. Temptation is in their way, they could fall in love with each other. Has there been an outcry about such situations?
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John Sweeney	Sunday, 17. August 2008, 22:17 Post #42
Posts: 1,844 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	No fo course there hasn't Rose because most mature people accept that in the overwhelming number of cases people of all sexual orientations work together as colleagues without any sexual connotations. Sometimes , of course, colleagues become attracted to each other but this happens whether they are gay, heterosexual and whether they are in the army or in an office or a shop. John



OsullivanB	Sunday, 17. August 2008, 22:28 Post #43
Posts: 2,196 Group: Moderator Member #205 Joined: August 14, 2008	In such a general discussion I am sure Patrick would not have made the cheap jest which I found offensive. Edited by OsullivanB, Sunday, 17. August 2008, 22:32.



Patrick	Monday, 18. August 2008, 12:30 Post #44
Administrator Posts: 3,629 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	Sorry about that, OsullivanB! No offence intended!



OsullivanB	Monday, 18. August 2008, 13:26 Post #45
Posts: 2,196 Group: Moderator Member #205 Joined: August 14, 2008	Understood Patrick. And from my side, I try to be aware that I can become oversenstive about what is an aspect of my life - very far from the whole of it.



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