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Ad Limina Visit
Topic Started: Wednesday, 2. July 2008, 20:58 (350 Views)
Rose of York	Wednesday, 2. July 2008, 20:58 Post #1
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	What happens during the bishops' Ad Limina visit to The Holy Father?
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KatyA	Wednesday, 2. July 2008, 21:27 Post #2
Administrator Posts: 5,391 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	I found this on Catholic World News Quote: The bishop of a diocese is required to make this visit every five years, as a sign of his communion with the Holy See and in order to report on the condition of his diocese. The bishop is expected to provide an in-depth report on his diocese. If some grave reason prevents him from making the ad limina visit, the bishop may send a coadjudutor of another official delegate. During the ad limina visit, the bishop is required to do the following: 1) Personally visit the tombs of Sts. Peter and Paul. This visit is recorded in writing. 2) Visit with the Holy Father. This visit includes three elements: #The bishop makes a renewal of his pledge of dedication to the Holy See; # The bishop delivers a written report on the state of his diocese, which is presented to the Secretariat of State and the Congregation for bishops; # The Pope delivers his own address to the bishop, offering his perspective on the challenges facing the Church in that diocese. Ordinarily, bishops make their ad limina visits in groups, with the bishops of a country or ecclesiastical province traveling to Rome and meeting with the Pope together. For smaller countries, the entire bishops' conference might make the ad limina visit as a group, with auxiliary bishops accompanying their ordinaries. When there are many bishops in a country, they usually travel to Rome in smaller groups, led by their metropolitans, so that the entire episcopate from a given country might visit Rome over a period of several weeks or even months. I wonder who actually writes the " written report on the state of his diocese"



Rose of York	Wednesday, 2. July 2008, 22:20 Post #3
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	KatyA Wednesday, 2. July 2008, 21:27 I wonder who actually writes the " written report on the state of his diocese" Some old lady who wears a green cardigan?
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Rose of York	Wednesday, 2. July 2008, 22:26 Post #4
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	I just hope that statistics are studied, in Rome, prior to the visit, and explanations sought for unusually high increases or decreases in Mass attendance, Ordinations, Baptisms, First Holy Communions, Confirmations, Marriages, church closures, and church building/consecrations. I wonder if the Pope ever recommends "promotion" of a bishop, or advises retirement, after studying the reports. The website of the Bishops Conference of England and Wales used to show statistics. Recently, they (the statistics, not the bishops) were outdated - nothing after 2003. Now, they are not shown at all.
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John Sweeney	Thursday, 3. July 2008, 19:33 Post #5
Posts: 1,834 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	What is more intriguing than "who writes the written report on the diocese" is who writes the "Pope's perspective on the challenges facing that diocese"? John



Rose of York	Monday, 5. January 2009, 13:35 Post #6
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Any news on when the visit is due?
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Powerofone	Monday, 5. January 2009, 16:48 Post #7
Posts: 759 Group: Members Member #210 Joined: October 2, 2008	Why the visit to the tombs? Can't they organise their own touristic excursions? Why should this element of the tour be compulsory? Why not a visit to the 4 Roman basilicas? If they're important enough for universal feast days, ought they not be as important to the visiting Bishops? Why not make them compulsory also?



Rose of York	Friday, 8. May 2009, 17:14 Post #8
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Rose is having bad thoughts about questions she would ask our bishops, if she was Pope. Any suggestions?
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Deleted User	Rose of York Friday, 8. May 2009, 17:14 Rose is having bad thoughts about questions she would ask our bishops, if she was Pope. Any suggestions? If I admit the possibility that you could be Pope I could be and Anathema to the current authorities. If I fail to acknowledge that you would probably bring a bit of well needed Yorkshire plain speaking and common sense into the Vatican I would be guilty of failing to acknowledge truth. I had better go and learn to, 'SIT'
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Rose of York	Friday, 8. May 2009, 18:02 Post #10
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Penfold Friday, 8. May 2009, 17:38 I had better go and learn to, 'SIT' Come on Penfold, you're the priest. The ball's in your court I threw it, you pick it up.
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Deleted User	Friday, 8. May 2009, 18:25 Post #11
Deleted User	OK Rose what would you ask?
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CARLO	Friday, 8. May 2009, 18:45 Post #12
Posts: 1,687 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: September 28, 2006	I think its a sort of man to man chat. Part job appraisal review part touching base with the boss. Mind you I once asked a Bishop about an ad limina meeting with the previous Holy Father. He told me that very little was said but that the Holy Father had given him a cross to wear. Somehow I quite like that. Veritas Truth CARLO
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Rose of York	Friday, 8. May 2009, 19:10 Post #13
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	CARLO Friday, 8. May 2009, 18:45 Mind you I once asked a Bishop about an ad limina meeting with the previous Holy Father. He told me that very little was said but that the Holy Father had given him a cross to wear. wear or bear?
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Rose of York	Friday, 8. May 2009, 19:10 Post #14
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Penfold Friday, 8. May 2009, 18:25 OK Rose what would you ask? I would ask (for starters) What is the total population of England and Wales? What is the average Mass attendance? Is the attendance increasing or decreasing, not taking account of recent immigration? How do your figures compare with those of other denominations? What is the general picture regarding parishes where in the extraordinary form is offered weekly? Which is the greater, the number of people in those parishes, who have started attending Mass elsewhere, or the number of people who attend Mass in the Extraordinary Form in preference to Mass in the Ordinary Form in parishes where they reside? My brothers, later I will seek a report regarding vocations to the priesthood, religious life and diaconate.
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John Sweeney	Friday, 8. May 2009, 19:11 Post #15
Posts: 1,834 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	I would like the Pope to ask the bishops why they and their English/Welsh Anglican counterparts had still not come up with a merger plan when there is not a cigarette paper's difference between their beliefs. John



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