Westminster appointment announced

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Westminster appointment announced; also Bishops Conference posts
Topic Started: Monday, 16. June 2008, 22:20 (2,948 Views)
Rose of York	Monday, 16. June 2008, 22:20 Post #1
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	According to The Tablet Catholic weekly, the Papal Nuncio to Great Britain has let it be known he has begun consultations to find a successor to Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor as Archbishop of Westminster. Link to full article Quote: Editorial, 14 June 2008 Parade of the talents The papal nuncio to Great Britain has let it be known he has begun consultations to find a successor to Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor as Archbishop of Westminster. In that spirit The Tablet has been publishing a range of opinions from Catholics, lay and clerical, and today we complete the exercise with a list of the names, which - as far as it is possible to tell - the nuncio might be considering. Does anybody have a copy of the Tablet? The internet version does not list the names.
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KatyA	Monday, 16. June 2008, 23:41 Post #2
Administrator Posts: 5,199 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	I read the tablet article. That makes it clear the Tablet doesn't want Bishop O'Donaghue even though he isn't named. Would I be right in thinking the Tablet takers would like the Archbishop of Canterbury to move to Westminster? What I'd really like to know is to whom did the papal nuncio "let it be known" and with whom is he consulting? KatyA



Rose of York	Tuesday, 17. June 2008, 00:20 Post #3
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	KatyA Monday, 16. June 2008, 23:41 I read the tablet article. That makes it clear the Tablet doesn't want Bishop O'Donaghue even though he isn't named. Would I be right in thinking the Tablet takers would like the Archbishop of Canterbury to move to Westminster? What I'd really like to know is to whom did the papal nuncio "let it be known" and with whom is he consulting? KatyA Any Catholic can make recommendations to the Nuncio, regarding choice of a bishop or archbishop for a diocese or archdiocese. I bet consideration of who will take any bishop's place, commences from the day any priest becomes a bishop - in case he has an untimely death.
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Rose of York	Wednesday, 30. July 2008, 19:04 Post #4
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Rose of York Monday, 16. June 2008, 22:20 According to The Tablet Catholic weekly, the Papal Nuncio to Great Britain has let it be known he has begun consultations to find a successor to Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor as Archbishop of Westminster. What's the betting the name of the next Archbishop of Westminster will be announced shortly after our bishops have returned from the forthcoming Ad Limina visit? I have a funny feeling the Catholics of England and Wales are in for a happy surprise.
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Fortunatus	Wednesday, 30. July 2008, 19:55 Post #5
Posts: 718 Group: Members Member #98 Joined: September 3, 2007	Quote: I have a funny feeling the Catholics of England and Wales are in for a happy surprise. Never mind the funny feeling, Rose; get down on your knees and assault the Lord with prayer. The Pill's article is a typical piece of Tabletista flannel which says absolutely nothing. I see very little about in the present hierarchy that is going to correct the "social services writ large" attitude of the English Church. I find the "Catholic schools matter, but so do all schools" bit singularly nauseating (yes, it means they don't want O'Donoghue). Of course all schools matter but it is not the function of the next Archbishop of Westminster to worry about all schools; by God, it is his job to worry about Catholic schools and the disastrous catechesis that passes for religious education in too many of them. "One who merely berates the English and Welsh for their ungodliness will not be listened to - vision is always better than condemnation." A bit of berating might not be a bad thing and as for "the vision thing" ... words fail me. Would that occasionally they might fail Ms Pepinster. I think you're right, KatyA. Cantuar might just about fit the Tablet's bill!



John Sweeney	Thursday, 31. July 2008, 15:27 Post #6
Posts: 1,739 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	It seems reasonably clear that the appointee will be a politically correct right wing zealot in tune with the Vatican's current thinking. He will come in and there will be an initial flurry of small changes. Then the realities of office will kick in and we'll settle back down to do things as we do now. John



Rose of York	Thursday, 31. July 2008, 15:32 Post #7
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	John Sweeney Thursday, 31. July 2008, 15:27 It seems reasonably clear that the appointee will be a politically correct right wing zealot in tune with the Vatican's current thinking. He will come in and there will be an initial flurry of small changes. Then the realities of office will kick in and we'll settle back down to do things as we do now. John My guess: He will: be a man who is unafraid to speak out see when decisions must be made - and make them. call a spade a spade.
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Fortunatus	Thursday, 31. July 2008, 15:46 Post #8
Posts: 718 Group: Members Member #98 Joined: September 3, 2007	Quote: Then the realities of office will kick in and we'll settle back down to do things as we do now. You wish!



John Sweeney	Thursday, 31. July 2008, 15:50 Post #9
Posts: 1,739 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	Anything changed in your parish recently Fortunatus? People flocking to demand Latin Masses? Priests ordering new forms of mediaeval vestments? Altar rails restored due to popular demand. People running round trying to figure out East/liturgical East? Not in Wales, fortunately. John



Fortunatus	Thursday, 31. July 2008, 17:20 Post #10
Posts: 718 Group: Members Member #98 Joined: September 3, 2007	If the hierarchy did what they were supposed to do and actually let the laity know about the existence of Summorum Pontificum then who knows what might be the reaction? Let us pray for a "politically correct" Archbishop for Westminster if by that you mean one who understands that when the Vatican issues an instruction it is his job to make sure that it is carried out. This is not the Anglican Communion (perhaps the "Anglican Postcommunion" might be a better term) where there as many theologies as there are archdeacons and as many beliefs as there are vicars. If that is the way you would like the Catholic Church to go then I suspect, and indeed hope, that you would find yourself in an extremely small minority!



Deacon Robert	Thursday, 31. July 2008, 19:03 Post #11
Posts: 767 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: September 26, 2006	Do I get to put some money in this lottery? My bet is from one of my previous posts: Rumor has it that Card. Pell may be headed to Westminster
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Rose of York	Thursday, 31. July 2008, 19:14 Post #12
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Why would the Pope think a man from Australia is the ideal candidate for Westminster?
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John Sweeney	Thursday, 31. July 2008, 19:24 Post #13
Posts: 1,739 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	Because he is completely out of touch with modern Catholicism Rose but can cling to the fig leaf of a successful World Youth event and a "conventional" record. In many ways I hope this is the appointment because it will demonstrate clearly that the people will simply not wear some sort of charge back to 60 years ago. Those of us who were there know just how ghastly it was , and those who are too young know how much they value the present Mass and all that goes with it. John



Rose of York	Thursday, 31. July 2008, 19:37 Post #14
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	John, would you agree the young who hanker after the past they never knew, know about what was good, but not about what was not so good (example - not being allowed to open our mouths to say the Lords Prayer with protestants).
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John Sweeney	Thursday, 31. July 2008, 20:07 Post #15
Posts: 1,739 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	I would Rose, because our relationship with our Christian colleagues was unChristian to say the least--on both sides. However, I think we as Catholics had great problems which were entirely our own and there I agree entirely with you that the nostalgia of a very few people is entirely misplaced. Much better now though a way to go! John



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