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Holydays; celebrations in the Extraordinary Form
Topic Started: Friday, 25. April 2008, 17:10 (478 Views)
KatyA	Friday, 25. April 2008, 17:10 Post #1
Administrator Posts: 5,413 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	Following a request for information, the Catholic Bishops' Conference of England and Wales submitted a dubium (a query) to the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei which confirmed that in the Roman Rite, whichever Form of the liturgy is being celebrated, the Holydays of Obligation are held in common. Where the obligation has been removed and the Holyday transferred to the Sunday, the Epiphany of the Lord, the Ascension of the Lord and Corpus Christ, this is to be followed in both Ordinary and Extraordinary celebrations of Mass. A page with this information together with further details about the Calendar for celebrations using the Extraordinary Form has been added to the Liturgy Office website: http://www.liturgyoffice.org.uk/Resources/...ndar/index.html



Rose of York	Friday, 25. April 2008, 19:41 Post #2
Administrator Posts: 14,558 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Catholicism was simpler when the priest used to stand in the pulpit and announce "Tuesday is a Holyday of Obligation. Masses weill be at....." He gave us the times, and that was that!
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Derekap	Friday, 25. April 2008, 19:45 Post #3
Posts: 3,415 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	Frankly, I gave up trying to understand most of the Liturgy Office website.
	Derekap


Rose of York	Friday, 25. April 2008, 20:43 Post #4
Administrator Posts: 14,558 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Derekap Apr 25 2008, 08:45 PM Frankly, I gave up trying to understand most of the Liturgy Office website. Keep that to yourself, Derek. If word gets round they might try to make you into a bishop.
	$Posted Image$ Catholic and proud of it! Talk to God before Mass. Talk to each other afterwards


Derekap	Saturday, 26. April 2008, 13:17 Post #5
Posts: 3,415 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	Somebody, no names no packdrill, thought I was the Pope!
	Derekap


KatyA	Thursday, 1. May 2008, 20:51 Post #6
Administrator Posts: 5,413 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	Damian has some acid words to say concerning today's feast of The Ascension Quote: But what�s this? Sung Masses celebrating the Ascension at the London, Oxford and Birmingham Oratories TODAY, not Sunday � indeed, Extraordinary Form Masses all over the country. It looks as if traditionalists know how to score points, too. To cut a long story short, Rome acceded to the bishops� request to transfer the obligation to celebrate the feasts of the Ascension and Corpus Christi to Sundays. But there is nothing to stop Catholics holding additional commemorative Masses on the customary weekdays � which is exactly what is happening. Holy Smoke I'm sorry I didn't spot it earlier as he goes on to provide a list of today's Extraordinary Form Masses KatyA



Deacon Robert	Thursday, 1. May 2008, 21:13 Post #7
Posts: 831 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: September 26, 2006	He has got it backwards. The day is celebrated on the day it was always celebrated. The difference is that the Bishops were allowed to move it to the a Sunday. In my state my Diocese and three others celebrate today. The other one moved it to Sunday. It has NOTHING to do with the extraordinary form of Mass. Some solemnities were declared "movable" and it was at the Diocesan Bishops discretion.
	Dcn Robert


nelly k	Thursday, 1. May 2008, 21:15 Post #8
Posts: 549 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: November 1, 2006	Well I went to Mass tonight in the ordinary form , Mass in the ordinary form was also said in both my daughters schools. nelly



KatyA	Thursday, 1. May 2008, 21:18 Post #9
Administrator Posts: 5,413 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	This was the statement issued by the bishops in 2006. Quote: Holy Days of Obligation which are Solemnities of the Lord (other than Christmas Day) are to be moved to Sundays. This means that the Epiphany, the Ascension of the Lord and Corpus Christi will now be celebrated on Sunday. The Bishops of England and Wales have decided to transfer these Holy Days of Obligation to Sunday in response to requests from the Diocesan Council of Priests and many others. The Holy See approved these changes to the calendar on 13 July 2006 and they take effect on 3 December 2006, the First Sunday of Advent. KatyA



Deacon Robert	Thursday, 1. May 2008, 21:43 Post #10
Posts: 831 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: September 26, 2006	As we can see, it is up to the individual Bishops or councils of Bishops. Not some influence of the "extraordinary" form of Mass.
	Dcn Robert


Rose of York	Thursday, 1. May 2008, 21:47 Post #11
Administrator Posts: 14,558 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Damien must have been short of something to whinge about.
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KatyA	Friday, 2. May 2008, 12:52 Post #12
Administrator Posts: 5,413 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	The story is taken up by the Cathoic Herald this week (no surprise there) Quote: John Medlin, chairman of the LMS, said: "The Latin Mass Society is studying the situation and for the moment has no further comment to make." Apart from Sundays, which are Holy Days of Obligation for all Catholics, the Church in England and Wales has seven other days when Mass attendance is compulsory, one more than America, Ireland and even staunchly Catholic Poland. Some countries, such as Australia, Canada and the Netherlands, have only two. Vatican City observes all 10 Holy Days. Any change to the Holy Days of Obligation is not supposed to alter the Church's liturgical calendar. Feast days remain the same but, in the case of Epiphany, Ascension and Corpus Christi, the obligation to attend Mass is moved to the following Sunday. Catholic Herald Article



Clare	Friday, 2. May 2008, 13:05 Post #13
Wacko Schismatic Traditionalist Woman Posts: 3,093 Group: Members Member #70 Joined: March 27, 2007	nelly k May 1 2008, 10:15 PM Well I went to Mass tonight in the ordinary form , Mass in the ordinary form was also said in both my daughters schools. nelly Scotland still holds the Ascension on Thursday. It's just the England & Wales bishops who have moved it. What will those indult churches do on Sunday if they've (quite rightly) kept the Ascension yesterday? Will they use the Mass of the Ascension again, or the Mass for the Sunday following the Ascension?
	S.A.G. My attempt at a blog.


Derekap	Friday, 2. May 2008, 15:46 Post #14
Posts: 3,415 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	The Church in Scotland will surely offer The Holy Mass of the Sunday between The Feast of the Ascension and the Feast of Pentecost? The Roman Rite's observance and obligations of Feast Days varies from country to country so provision is made for variances. Even in this country lesser important observances vary among dioceses because of local Saints. When I was stationed in Perth, Scotland, in December 1942, I was unable to attend Holy Mass on 8 December because vigil and evening Holy Masses were unheard of and indeed would probably have caused a revolution by traditionalists. During WW2 churches which could not be blacked-out were allowed to have "Midnight Holy Mass" before Black-out Time on Christmas Eve which probably meant about 3pm (We were on BST throughout Winter and DBST in Summer).
	Derekap


Clare	Friday, 2. May 2008, 15:49 Post #15
Wacko Schismatic Traditionalist Woman Posts: 3,093 Group: Members Member #70 Joined: March 27, 2007	Derekap May 2 2008, 04:46 PM The Church in Scotland will surely offer The Holy Mass of the Sunday between The Feast of the Ascension and the Feast of Pentecost? The Roman Rite's observance and obligations of Feast Days varies from country to country so provision is made for variances. Even in this country lesser important observances vary among dioceses because of local Saints. I was asking about the Traditional Mass in England and Wales. The "approved" ones. What will it be on Sunday?
	S.A.G. My attempt at a blog.


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