Beatification "imminent" For Cardinal Newman

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Beatification "imminent" For Cardinal Newman
Topic Started: Thursday, 10. January 2008, 00:40 (1,107 Views)
KatyA	Thursday, 10. January 2008, 00:40 Post #1
Administrator Posts: 5,391 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	Cardinal John Henry Newman will likely be beatified this year, according to the prefect of the Vatican's Congregation for the Causes of Saints. Cardinal José Saraiva Martins told L'Osservatore Romano that a decree authorizing the beatification of the Anglican convert and theologian is "imminent." The Vatican will also soon approve the beatification of Louis and Zelie-Marie Martin, the parents of St. Therese of Lisieux, the cardinal told the Vatican newspaper. Reports about a miraculous cure attributed to Cardinal Newman have circulated since 2004, and last October, informed sources in Rome indicated that the Congregation for the Causes of Saints was nearing the end of an investigation into the miraculous healing of a deacon in Boston http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=55836 To me there is a difference between "imminent" and "will likely be" but this report should cheer the many who think this should have happened long ago. KatyA



Rose of York	Thursday, 10. January 2008, 00:57 Post #2
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	The Telegraph has an article on the "imminent" beatification. Link Quote: The controversial theologian and writer of the hymn Lead Kindly Light, who converted in 1845 and died in 1890, would then be declared "Blessed" and be one step from canonisation, which would require a second miracle. Such a development would delight English Catholics, especially as it follows the high profile conversion last month of Tony Blair, the former Prime Minister. The conversion of a former Prime Minister pales into insignificance compared to the beatification of an English Cardinal Quote: It could also prove a spur to traditionalist Anglicans who are expected to "cross the Tiber" if the Church of England approves the consecration of women as bishops. One would presume that the traditionalist Anglicans have had plenty of time to decide for themselves whether they wish to come Home to Rome. They are thinking people, hardly likely to be swayed by this. I could be wrong! Quote: Cardinal Jose Saraiva Martins, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, told L'Osservatore Romano, the official Vatican newspaper, that Cardinal Newman was "an emblematic figure of conversion from Anglicanism to Catholicism. He added: "Personally, I hope that such a beatification may occur within a short time because it could be very important at this moment for the path of ecumenism"." Since when was Cardinal Newman into ecumenism? :D
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KatyA	Thursday, 10. January 2008, 01:04 Post #3
Administrator Posts: 5,391 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	He meant he-come-in-ism :D



KatyA	Thursday, 10. January 2008, 09:48 Post #4
Administrator Posts: 5,391 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	CNA have a short video clip on this: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=11379 KatyA



Gerard	Thursday, 10. January 2008, 10:15 Post #5
Posts: 3,099 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 26, 2006	Rose of York Jan 10 2008, 12:57 AM Since when was Cardinal Newman into ecumenism? :D Rose, The Father of The Second Vatican Council was commited to ecumenism. How could it be otherwise? Quote: Cardinal Newman worked among the poor of Birmingham and later moved to Dublin, where he founded and became Rector of University College. He is remembered not only as a theologian and pioneer of ecumenism but also as the author of the poem The Dream of Gerontius, which was set to music by Elgar. He also wrote the hymn Lead, Kindly Light while on a visit to Sicily in 1833, during which he fell desperately ill with a fever. His recovery is said to have inspired his later work and ultimately his conversion to Roman Catholicism. Gerry
	"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).


Rose of York	Thursday, 10. January 2008, 10:20 Post #6
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Thanks, Gerry. I am not well informed about Cardinal Newman. I now see that I was mistaken.
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John Sweeney	Thursday, 10. January 2008, 22:36 Post #7
Posts: 1,834 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	Good luck to the sanctification process for Cardinal Newman as it seems to me he was indeed a saint. I'm going over old ground here but i think the requirement for miracles is ludicrous and brings the Church into disrepute. John



Rose of York	Thursday, 10. January 2008, 23:08 Post #8
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	John Sweeney Jan 10 2008, 10:36 PM I think the requirement for miracles is ludicrous and brings the Church into disrepute. John Before I believe that particular miracle, of a man bent double now standing up straight and walking with a normal gait, I would like to see some evidence. It is common for people with some diseases, that affect walking, to go into remission for months or years, and then the disease does not show up on blood tests, but it is still lurking, and comes back with a vengeance. If somebody grew a new leg instantaneously, outdoors, in a crowded public place, that would be a real miracle. I agree with John. The evidence of a person's life should be sufficient.
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Karin	Friday, 11. January 2008, 01:40 Post #9
Karin Posts: 825 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: September 26, 2006	I don't care...I think this is just exciting - period!
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Joan M	Friday, 11. January 2008, 11:30 Post #10
Posts: 61 Group: Members Member #111 Joined: December 4, 2007	Quote: I'm going over old ground here but i think the requirement for miracles is ludicrous and brings the Church into disrepute. How on earth can the requirement for miracles be ludicrous? How can it bring the Church into disrepute? I must conclude from your remarks, John, that you do not understand either the process or the reasons for it. Quote: Before I believe that particular miracle, of a man bent double now standing up straight and walking with a normal gait, I would like to see some evidence. Rose, is it possible that you do not know how the determination of a miracle is arrived at? The process is complex and lenghty and not taken lightly. There must be extensive documentation and statements from medical professionals confirming that the condition was present and that the cure was inexplicable in scientific terms. It must be lasting. By the time a miracle is declared by the Church there would be no doubt whatever that it is truly a miracle. We just get the announcement, but it is possible to learn more about, at least, some miracles. I have a DVD that includes a video about the miracle that was accepted for the canonization of St. Josemaria Escriva. It is very impressive. Quote: The evidence of a person's life should be sufficient. The evidence of a person's life could never be sufficient to declare someone a saint. It is very possible that a person's life indicates sanctity, but in the secret of their heart they were harbouring unconfessed mortal sin. While beatifying someone is not infallible, declaring them a saint is. Requiring a miracle is asking for a sign from God that the person is in Heaven. Far from bringing the Church into disrepute, the Church is safeguarding her reputation by requiring miracles for both beatification and canonization. Instead of criticising the Church for her processes we should strive to better understand them so that we can fully embrace them.
	Peace and love, Joan. The world thrives on lies even twenty centuries after the Truth came among men. The Forge, 130. St. Josemaria Escriva.


Rose of York	Friday, 11. January 2008, 11:48 Post #11
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Joan M Jan 11 2008, 11:30 AM Quote: Before I believe that particular miracle, of a man bent double now standing up straight and walking with a normal gait, I would like to see some evidence. Rose, is it possible that you do not know how the determination of a miracle is arrived at? Awfully sorry, I would like to see the evidence because I am interested. What's wrong with being interested? Joan M, wait till I read on here, unsubstantiated claims of miracles. I can be relied upon to come straight back, giving details of procedures in canonisation causes, and at Lourdes. Yes, I do know how the determination of a miracle is arrived at. So far as I know, there has yet to be an announcement that this particular miracle has been verified. Just interested, that's all.
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Rose of York	Friday, 11. January 2008, 11:51 Post #12
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Joan M Jan 11 2008, 11:30 AM Instead of criticising the Church for her processes we should strive to better understand them so that we can fully embrace them. Awfully sorry, I expressed a personal opinion, I did not criticise the Church for her procedures. The canonisation of John Henry Newman will indeed be a joyous event for the Catholics of Mary's Dowry.
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Gerard	Friday, 11. January 2008, 12:34 Post #13
Posts: 3,099 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 26, 2006	Joan M The requirement for miracles is a "novelty". Before this novelty was introduced one became a Saint by popular acclaim. Gerry. P.S. Christians are all Saints anyway. Gerry
	"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).


Michaeljohn	Friday, 11. January 2008, 12:45 Post #14
Posts: 122 Group: Members Member #124 Joined: December 20, 2007	Quote: P.S. Christians are all Saints anyway. Gerry Unless you're prepared to define "saint" then that statement is bordering on heresy.



Gerard	Friday, 11. January 2008, 12:56 Post #15
Posts: 3,099 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 26, 2006	Edited - see below...
	"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).


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