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Our Title " Roman Catholic"
Topic Started: Saturday, 9. December 2006, 01:08 (865 Views)
Patrick	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 01:08 Post #1
Administrator Posts: 3,629 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	My dad, RIP, always thought of himself as Catholic - as opposed to Roman Catholic. His reckoning was that, when his parents were around, they were Catholic and unaware that there were any other kind of Catholics. I'm a bit like that, if someone asks me, I'm Catholic, not 'Roman' Catholic. I guess it stems back to the time when the Church was instituted - there were no other forms, or rites, of Catholicism. Views anyone?



nelly k	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 01:19 Post #2
Posts: 549 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: November 1, 2006	I always regard my self as Roman Catholic, in that I want to follow on from what comes from Rome, the Vatican, and not the UK,not Europe, whilst I am gratefull to live in a Democratic country and would regard myself as pro Europe, with all the Challenges it gives and the many temptations to turn away from Rome/Vatican, the Seat of Peter, not sure if the last bit is right ,,,, I want to go to Rome. nelly



Patrick	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 01:25 Post #3
Administrator Posts: 3,629 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	I look at it this way. St Peter was the first Pope, the first Bishop of Rome (although he was Bishop of Antioch). So, the first instance of the Catholic Church was Rome. At that time, they would have had no need to call themselves 'Roman'. When did the term 'Roman Catholic' first appear anyway? Was it to distinguish between 'rites' of the Catholic Church or was it to distinguish us from those who called themselves 'Catholic' - ie the Anglo-Catholics?



Rose of York	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 01:31 Post #4
Administrator Posts: 14,540 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	I call myself a Catholic, not a Roman Catholic, because the word Catholic means Universal, indicating the Church is world wide. I feel that if we call ourselves Roman Catholic that strengthens the misconception, held by some, that "there's no real difference between Anglo Catholics and Roman Catholics". Oh yes there is. We are members of the Catholic Church. They are not. So, I am just plain CATHOLIC.
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Rose of York	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 01:33 Post #5
Administrator Posts: 14,540 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Patrick Dec 9 2006, 01:25 AM When did the term 'Roman Catholic' first appear anyway? Was it to distinguish between 'rites' of the Catholic Church or was it to distinguish us from those who called themselves 'Catholic' - ie the Anglo-Catholics? I understand the term was coined by "Anglo-Catholics" to distinguish what they consider to be two branches of Catholicism. Blooming cheek.
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Alan	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 01:35 Post #6
Posts: 686 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: September 26, 2006	Like you Patrick I was brought up to use the term Catholic. All others were Jews or Protestant. Then I came to England and was astonished to listen to the Late Archbishop Fisher of Canterbury claim that The Cof E is a Catholic and Apostolic Church. Most Catholic Churches in England and Wales, together with schools had signs stating The Roman Catholic Church of St Mary's. Or St Mary's Roman Catholic School. About 1998 The Bishops Conference issued a statement announcing that the "Roman" was to be removed from all Church and School signs.
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Patrick	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 01:35 Post #7
Administrator Posts: 3,629 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	Rose of York Dec 9 2006, 01:31 AM I call myself a Catholic, not a Roman Catholic, because the word Catholic means Universal, indicating the Church is world wide. I feel that if we call ourselves Roman Catholic that strengthens the misconception, held by some, that "there's no real difference between Anglo Catholics and Roman Catholics". Oh yes there is. We are members of the Catholic Church. They are not. So, I am just plain CATHOLIC. Well said Rose. I find that a lot of secular people use the term 'Roman Catholic'. It annoys me. I actually hold the Anglo-Catholics in high regard - and I feel sorry for them, to the dismay of some.



Patrick	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 01:40 Post #8
Administrator Posts: 3,629 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	Alan Dec 9 2006, 01:35 AM Like you Patrick I was brought up to use the term Catholic. It's a strange one, Alan. There is at least a generation between us. But then, that is true of most Catholics my age, and their parents.... so it gets me. Why? Quote: All others were Jews or Protestant. Yes, same here. Quote: Then I came to England and was astonished to listen to the Late Archbishop Fisher of Canterbury claim that The Cof E is a Catholic and Apostolic Church. Through no fault of my own, I think I missed that! Quote: Most Catholic Churches in England and Wales, together with schools had signs stating The Roman Catholic Church of St Mary's. Or St Mary's Roman Catholic School. About 1998 The Bishops Conference issued a statement announcing that the "Roman" was to be removed from all Church and School signs. It hasn't been done here, I can assure you - and we're in the Archdiocese of Westminster!



Rose of York	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 01:59 Post #9
Administrator Posts: 14,540 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	google for Charity Commission. Look on the register of Charities for your diocese, the registered number should be on your parish newsletter. They are all registered as Roman Catholic Diocesan Trusts. Take a look at your Diocesan Website. It will say The Roman Catholic Diocese of (whatever). The chances are your diocese is called "Roman Catholic" in the phone book. To me, this suggests there are other kinds of Catholics. Mind you there are Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox and quite a few others who are Catholics. I'M KAFFLICK AND PROUD OF IT. Once upon a time you could spot the proper Catholics. They had so many medals round their necks you could hear the tinkling sound when they walked.
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Patrick	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 02:04 Post #10
Administrator Posts: 3,629 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	Rose of York Dec 9 2006, 01:59 AM google for Charity Commission. Look on the register of Charities for your diocese, the registered number should be on your parish newsletter. They are all registered as Roman Catholic Diocesan Trusts. Take a look at your Diocesan Website. It will say The Roman Catholic Diocese of (whatever). The chances are your diocese is called "Roman Catholic" in the phone book. To me, this suggests there are other kinds of Catholics. Mind you there are Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox and quite a few others who are Catholics. I'M KAFFLICK AND PROUD OF IT. Once upon a time you could spot the proper Catholics. They had so many medals round their necks you could hear the tinkling sound when they walked. There is nothing about, that isn't 'Roman'. As for the 'Sunday Plus' I haven't seen one of those in ages! Like you Rose, I am Catholic, and proud of it, too. I don't do 'Roman'. I recently taught that to a Trad too, who didn't realise! :D



nelly k	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 02:04 Post #11
Posts: 549 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: November 1, 2006	I think my view on this is my historical backround, I allways feel that Catholics were victims of prejudice in this Country ie Scotland, and the anti Catholics , ie the Scottish Christian Prodestants, made accusations that we should not live here and were not loyal citizens as our allegance was to Rome and the successors of Peter. I get fed up with this mentality If I want to listen to and agree more with Rome , so what! I think it could be said that I am being predjudice and have a chip on my shoulder about this, but politically in this coutry they do not want Catholic thinking because it is seen as a threat, rubbish, I do agree with Rose re the Universal Church, but I think Iam just being pig headed and sectarian, nelly



Rose of York	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 02:10 Post #12
Administrator Posts: 14,540 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	When John Fitzerald Kennedy ran for President of the USA, our papers were full of questions like "What if he has to choose between loyalty to his country and obedience to Rome"
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Patrick	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 02:17 Post #13
Administrator Posts: 3,629 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	Rose of York Dec 9 2006, 02:10 AM When John Fitzerald Kennedy ran for President of the USA, our papers were full of questions like "What if he has to choose between loyalty to his country and obedience to Rome" And the good President's answer was something like: "I am not the Catholic candidate for President. I am the Democratic Party's candidate for President, who happens also to be a Catholic."



Patrick	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 02:22 Post #14
Administrator Posts: 3,629 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	nelly k Dec 9 2006, 02:04 AM I think my view on this is my historical backround, I allways feel that Catholics were victims of prejudice in this Country ie Scotland, and the anti Catholics , ie the Scottish Christian Prodestants, made accusations that we should not live here and were not loyal citizens as our allegance was to Rome and the successors of Peter. I get fed up with this mentality If I want to listen to and agree more with Rome , so what! I think it could be said that I am being predjudice and have a chip on my shoulder about this, but politically in this coutry they do not want Catholic thinking because it is seen as a threat, rubbish, I do agree with Rose re the Universal Church, but I think Iam just being pig headed and sectarian, nelly Nelly. You stick to your Catholic guns. You're in a country where one half thinks it's Irish and the other half thinks it's English. Same with the North of Ireland, although that's just two thirds of a province.



Gerry2	Saturday, 9. December 2006, 03:17 Post #15
Posts: 51 Group: Members Member #42 Joined: October 27, 2006	Alan Dec 9 2006, 01:35 AM Then I came to England and was astonished to listen to the Late Archbishop Fisher of Canterbury claim that The Cof E is a Catholic and Apostolic Church. I think Europe's full of churches that refer to themselves as "one, holy, catholic and apostolic"! I once heard that we were called the Roman Catholic Church because of Romans 1:8 - Quote: First, I give thanks to my God, through Jesus Christ, for you all: because your faith is spoken of in the whole world. Has anybody else heard of this? Gerry2
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