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| Vatican Support For Bishop O'Donoghue's Initiative; Schools "Fit for Mission" programme | |
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| Topic Started: Monday, 31. December 2007, 18:03 (1,415 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Thursday, 3. January 2008, 16:57 Post #16 |
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Joseph at first glance this looks really good. You are fortunate to have a bishop who gets his priorities right, and does not feed his flock with mush. |
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| Deleted User | Monday, 7. January 2008, 19:31 Post #17 |
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Fr Finigan has taken up the story on his blog.
The Hermeneutic of Continuity KatyA |
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| Deleted User | Monday, 7. January 2008, 23:35 Post #18 |
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I don't see what the worry is about "faith" schools as far as their continued existence is concerned. This Government has promoted them enthusiastically and the Conservative Opposition has endorsed this stance. John |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 8. January 2008, 00:10 Post #19 |
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Faith schools are OK, so long as they don't actually teach the Faith ? That would seem to be Mr. Sheerman's view:
Further details are given in this report from Independent.ie. KatyA |
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| Joseph | Tuesday, 8. January 2008, 01:00 Post #20 |
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John, take at good look at Fr Finnigan's block on this topic. http://tinyurl.com/yqj52e And read a few of the comments there, including such as:-
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This initiative could well be offering our Catholic Schools and our Faith a chance to recover before it's too late - and I believe we ignore it at our peril. Bishop O'Donoghue's document (lengthy though it is) is an amazing and brave attempt to revitalise our faith. |
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| maklavan | Tuesday, 8. January 2008, 13:35 Post #21 |
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I am thinking of taking to my bed a la Florence Nightingale! I have just realised that I am a fundamentalist! The parliamentary spokesman speaks thus, " It does become worrying when you get a new push from more fundamentalist bishops!" Now,since I agree with every word of the bishops,and would would wish more power to their elbows, it looks like that makes me a fundamentalist! I suspect, however, that the word "fundamentalist"was seized on by the journalist in question, as I would be inclined to regard the original statement of the bishop as reflecting basic Catholic teaching, with no fundamentalist smell about it. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 8. January 2008, 14:36 Post #22 |
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It appears that teaching pupils to obey the Ten Commandments (upon which Common Law was based) is indoctrination, and teaching them to do as they please is not. What is "proper" sex education? Teaching the pupils to behave themselves, or teaching them that if they don't, there is always a way of avoiding the consequences. |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 8. January 2008, 21:09 Post #23 |
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Joseph Thanks for the reference to Fr Finnigan's blog. I did read it and tried to approach it with an open mind. I found it a very depressing, spiritually- dead read, I'm afraid. It is the same with Bishop O'Donoughue's message to schools. I find it a bit of a cowardly cop-out. We can all spout out diktats based on supposed certainties. I look for much more from a bishop than that. Surely as a trained man he should be interpreting teaching for us and relating it sensibly and sensibly to modern life to help guide us through its terrible complexity. What is the point of bishops if all they can do is re-issue "rules" as if we were all at spiritual kindergarten? John |
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| Lilo | Tuesday, 8. January 2008, 21:17 Post #24 |
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What if that's the impression his flock has made on the man? I quite like your term, "spiritual kindergarten," and will likely be using it in the future. Having said that, I do fault many of our bishops for the fact that so many Catholics truly do remain in a spiritual kindergarten; they've been taught using programs the bishops foisted on us, and by teachers the bishops had trained. Sheer human laziness is a contributing factor, but first people have to know enough to understand that there's much they don't know. I know many young Catholics who, through no fault of their own, are too ignorant of the faith to know that they're ignorant. Sounds like spiritual kindergarten to me. |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 8. January 2008, 21:25 Post #25 |
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I think the writer of the non-letter to the non-Hebrews made similar complaints Gerry |
| "The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998). | |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 8. January 2008, 22:58 Post #26 |
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Lilo You are right, probably we are all in spiritual kindergarten and I was being a little presumptious in my earlier post. I do think though that bishops owe us more than pious "certainties". john |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 9. January 2008, 14:03 Post #27 |
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It feels good, doesn't it Mak?! B)
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| Clare | Wednesday, 9. January 2008, 14:06 Post #28 |
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No, John. You think they owe us less than "pious certainties"! |
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| Deleted User | Thursday, 10. January 2008, 02:01 Post #29 |
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The subsequent discussion on the letter to the Hebrews has been moved Here This is to avoid a very interesting discussion getting lost in a thread about faith in schools KatyA |
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| Joseph | Thursday, 10. January 2008, 16:08 Post #30 |
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Those diktats and 'supposed certainties' are the tenets of our faith, as fully explained in the Catechism of The Catholic Church - which we are all (if we aspire to be practising Catholics) required to accept and follow, but which the vast majority of 'modern' Catholics in the West seem to conveniently ignore when they conflict with their preferred 'life style'. As a consequence of which, they have been happy to raise their children with the same mind set and have been relaxed about letting the teachings in Catholic Schools follow suit. It is that which has 'fired-up' the good bishop to do something about it ASAP.
It is questionable if those not prepared to accept the Teachings of the Church and the CCC have even reached the level to qualify for admittance to a 'spiritual kindergarten' for to do so would demand willingness to accept and believe in what should be being taught there - but are they ready for such a commitment? I doubt it, and so does Fr Finigan - that's why we see the initiative doomed to failure due to lethargy and lack of active support all round, from the hierarchy, clergy, teachers and layity in general. The true Catholic Faith is deemed too hard to follow, so we adapt it to suit ourselves and then wonder why it is failing! |
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