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| Not In Ireland,surely?; word "crib" removed from radio ad. | |
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| Topic Started: Friday, 7. December 2007, 23:53 (262 Views) | |
| KatyA | Friday, 7. December 2007, 23:53 Post #1 |
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Irish bishops have expressed their dismay at the refusal of public service national radio station RTÉ1 to allow the word 'crib' in a Christmas advert. Veritas, an agency of the Bishops' Conference, had for the first time commissioned the advert, which is currently running on RTÉ1 to promote Veritas retail outlets and gifts in the run up to Christmas. The station was not available for comment at the time of this update. The Irish Bishops have expressed concern and disappointment in a statement issued at the end of their conference yesterday. They said: "The removal of the word 'crib' from the advertisement is both an affront to Christians and belies common sense in the context of Irish society and culture. "Whether it is in the editing of a Veritas advertisement, or a crèche policy to no longer hold the Christmas Nativity play; or, by discontinuing the placement of a crib in a hospital foyer, we are asking Christians to reflect on - and protect what is the true spirit of Advent and Christmas, namely: a time to reflect on our life journey and to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Saviour." http://www.indcatholicnews.com/crin436.html Land of my ancestors, what have you come to! KatyA |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 8. December 2007, 00:49 Post #2 |
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OK we are a multicultural society but nobody bans the mention of the FA World Cup because some people prefer the Test Match and some people can't stand sport! The truth is, some people are scared stiff of believing in God because that is a greater challenge than forging ahead with a career, or getting a better house. Belief involves commitment and they run a mile. |
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| Gerard | Saturday, 8. December 2007, 10:29 Post #3 |
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Whts needed here is a legal challenge Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 8. December 2007, 10:58 Post #4 |
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Independent Catholic News carries an article about this affair. RTE's edited version of the advertisement gives the impression Vertitas is just another secular retail outfit. Link to article I agree with Gerry, this calls for a legal challenge. Would they edit out the word "halal" in an advert for a muslim butcher selling meat for a festival? |
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| PJD | Saturday, 8. December 2007, 12:10 Post #5 |
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Some people have a fear of Mohammadism; but most others have a far greater fear of Catholicism. As this Government here will find out in due course - don't cross swords with the Roman Catholic Church. You see for some the Truth really does hurt. PJD |
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| Derekap | Saturday, 8. December 2007, 15:27 Post #6 |
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Perhaps RTE will broadcast a Winterval Service instead of Holy Mass? |
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| Mark C | Saturday, 8. December 2007, 15:40 Post #7 |
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As someone from the other side of the world, can somebody explain the logic here (of the people banning the word crib)? Is it sort of like Orwell's 1984 where "Newspeak" is used to limit thoughts - with the obvious (in the book) that not only did it limit politically dangerous thought, but it tended to limit all thought? Or does "crib" have more of a religious connotation in Ireland, or perhaps during this time of the year. Or perhaps the choice was just to harass a christian business, knowing it's christian. They knew they couldn't get away with banning ever 3rd vowel, the letter "T", and the word the "the" and "sale". :blink: To my untrained ears, it's like banning the word "church" - wher it could mean non-christian churches but it is mostly used for christian ones. Or perhaps banning the words "parking lot" because christian churches have parking lots. It just sounds very odd. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 8. December 2007, 16:59 Post #8 |
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Mark, it is about multiculturalism. Britain has a long history of welcoming immigrants. A few were not quite so welcome at the time. We had Roman invaders, then Vikings, and in 1066 William Duke of Normandy won the Battle of Hastings, and took the Crown of England. Since then we have given a home to Jews, fleeing persecution. After World War II, many Eastern Europeans who had been in Russian prison camps, and later released when the Soviet Bloc joined the Allies, found themselves stateless. Some came here during the war, and served in the armed forces. Others followed after the war ended. We had Poles, Lithuanians, Romanians, Estonians. Some of the Germans who had been prisoners of war here, made Britain their home rather than return to East Germany. In the fifties and sixties Britain made a big effort to get West Indians to come here to do menial tasks our indigenous people did not want to do. All worked well, until we had massive muslim immigration. When India gained its Independence in 1947, an Act of Parliament was passed, giving Commonwealth citizens the right to settle here. Millions of muslims, hindus and sikhs have come here in the last fifty years. Most are tolerant, though the few extremists are extremely dangerous as you no doubt know. Unfortunately, there are white Britons working in local authorities and the media, who go overboard towards avoiding upsetting the muslims. Birmingham is our second largest city. Their council proposed having official Winterfest celebrations, to mark 25th December. A head teacher in England decreed that hot cross buns were not to be on the school dinner menu during Holy Week. The buns would be served, without the white cross, done in icing sugar. The local Imam complained, saying he would not be able to face his grandchildren if he did not take them hot cross buns at Easter. A headmistress ordered that all childrens' story books with references to pigs be removed from the school. An Imam said muslims do not eat pork, but they have no objection to muslim children reading about them. There are white people, who are nominally Christian, and make silly rules to appease muslims, thinking they would be offended by references to the nativity. In the town of Dewsbury, in the North of England, it took a muslim councillor to request that the Council have the crib that formed the centre piece of the town's Christmas decorations, fully restored, because the paint was peeling off. Sorry to be so long winded, but I feel this is an opportunity to explain the situation in the UK, and that many of the problems about dumbing down Christmas are due to public officials bending over backwards to avoid offending people who are not offended by Christmas. Christmas is not multicultural. It is not black, white, brown or yellow. It is not Muslim, Hindu or Jewish. We all know that. Nobody tries to ban references to Passover or Ramadan. |
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| PJD | Saturday, 8. December 2007, 20:25 Post #9 |
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"due to public officials bending over backwards to avoid offending people who are not offended by Christmas." Quite right Rose; but you should ask yourself....Why? I mean why, if ordinary people like ourselves wouldn't act in this manner, who and what makes these official do what they do. Put another way - are they un-ordinary? and if so why? PJD |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 8. December 2007, 21:01 Post #10 |
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PJD, I can only muse upon the reasons why public officials behave in such a manner. The town where I grew up has one of the highest muslim populations in England. Last January when I visited there I was shocked to notice there are two distinctly separate societies in one town. One area will be 99% muslim, and five minutes walk away another area, with similar housing mix, will be 99% indigenous British. There is a cricket league dating back to Victorian times, and another formed not many years ago, that is all muslim. That was caused partially by the difficulty of muslims sharing a "cricket tea" with the white people, whose wives do not prepare food according to muslim rules. They might have had bacon in the fridge, next to the slices of roast beef. Naturally, the muslims do not visit pubs, and that lessens the opportunities to socialise with the "old population". The women buy their clothes in Asian shops, Marks and Spencer and other chain stores do not supply the clothing they wear. Because their food must be Halal, they buy their meat in Asian owned Halal butchers. This all leads to separatism. Women get to know each other, when they are shopping, but the muslim and Christian women and children just don't get to know each other. As the two sides do not mix very much, how can they learn to understand each other? The chances are that the officials who make decisions to avoid references to Christianity have never mixed socially with muslims. Some progress is being made. A group of English women at a Methodist church invited the women from the local mosque to join with them in a craft fair, displaying English and Indian crafts. The event was so popular other mosques and churches joined in. It is now a major event, staged in the Town Hall. The MP, who is a British born muslim, urges the people of his faith to get more involved in local society, but it is going to take a long time. There are hard core elements of extremists. My personal view of any person, muslim or not, objecting to references to the real meaning of Christmas is - TOUGH! In my lifetime the Catholics were regarded as foreigners from Ireland, despite most having been born in England. We were reputed to have a strange "foreign" religion and worship "The Virgin", not God. All that is in the past, but - the Irish people had much in common with the English people. They dressed the same, ate the same foods (apart from Fridays), enjoyed similar food. The two links I give have been on the forum before. Our new friends might find them enlightening. Islam in Dewsbury - Richard Donkin Some corner of a foreign field - Guardian newspaper |
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| Ned | Saturday, 8. December 2007, 21:15 Post #11 |
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I think that your right there, Mark. The Muslims certainly don't have any objection to Christmas. It's the New-World-Order squad who are behind this. They want to dumb-down the Queen's English into Second-Language-English. Incidently I am 'somewhere in England' and a regular listener to RTE Radio One. I do not have TV or TV-licence, and I boycott the BBC radio stations. The BBC always talk down to their audience and their blatant lies insult the listeners' intelligence. RTE talks to you as if you are intelligent. I would say that RTE is a bigger liar than the BBC but the lies are better contrived; someone has taken trouble over them. |
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| Karin | Sunday, 9. December 2007, 00:32 Post #12 |
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Methinks this is all insane anyway! It does appear bigotry, hatred, mistrust, misinformation, etc., (thinly veiled under the guise of being politically correct) is alive and well all over the world. Women's groups are even keeping Santa Claus from saying, 'ho ho ho' because it's demeaning to women! And here in the States, we have to take out the Ten Commandments from public buildings (such as court houses)...the world has gone stark raving nuts! What's wrong with keeping Christ in Christmas, loving one's neighbour and living out the Gospels in our daily lives? I'm sorry. dear friends, but this is simply too political for me. |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 9. December 2007, 00:38 Post #13 |
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Anybody who blames the muslims for all this nonsense, is telling porkies. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 10. December 2007, 01:18 Post #14 |
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No reactions to my little pun. :( |
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| Karin | Monday, 10. December 2007, 04:14 Post #15 |
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I got it, Rose! You know, although I am an American, I grew up in a travel agency family business and actually ran it for a time with my father. I have been fortunate to visit many, many countries around the world, and when I was very young, I fell in love with Great Britain and Ireland. Because I am half Irish in heritage, it was special for me to return year after year with my parents, then with my siblings. When I married Mick in Oldham, then lived in Shaw, it was as if I had come home. I never even thought of myself as an immigrant. Because I was so familiar with the culture, I willingly dived into my new life and loved every bit of it. I still do. And we tend to live in a very British household, even if we are in Wisconsin. When we move back to the UK, I'll be going home. As I mentioned in my earlier posting on this thread, I find all of this business of literally taking the Christ out of Christmas in the public theatre totally insane. People have lost their wits. The Holy Father is distressed because of all the consumerism so invasive in our celebration of the birth of Our Lord. We aren't being politically correct when we have a nativity scene outside a public building. Christmas decorations must be over the top while we compete with one another for who has the biggest display of lights (and the biggest electric bill in town). And in Ireland, taking the crib out? Oh puleeze! Advertising companies have turned Christmas into a marketing campaign, with stores decorated and products hawked in August! In America, it was always the day after Thanksgiving before we decorated our homes or the stores. And there were nativity sets everywhere...in the stores, in front of churches, in public parks and in front of court houses. But I do feel that people of any country need to adapt to the culture they immigrate to. Yes, bring your own culture with you, but learn the language, adapt to the atmosphere around you. And that means assimilating into the culture...not live apart from it. And it seems to be a sad commentary on our world today that people can't - or won't do that. If I moved to Saudi Arabia for instance, I would be expected to learn their language and adapt to their customs. Yes, I take my culture with me, but I would never insult my new country by trying to live apart from it. |
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