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Passing On Your Faith; to your own children
Topic Started: Tuesday, 13. November 2007, 01:40 (1,459 Views)
Gerard

would have made a good post in that other thread everyone is uncomfortable posting in Clare (Living Out Our Faith?)

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Clare
Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 19:41
And worse still, we start preaching what we practise. And it isn't Catholicism.
Do you, indeed? Come on Clare, spill the beans!
:rofl:
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tomais

I would hope that " outsiders" do not have access to what has gone before here.
What a mixty maxty confusion of post prandial chat.
relativism-here we come!
Perhaps some one old and experinecd enough can ditch the concept of Dridism and come up with the good old ash / oak tree poolism of the north Britain paganism.
AND say what is essential wrong with it as was.
Garb of old Gaul indeed!
Well Folks just Cross yourself when passing a church / cortege and say Goodbye in the longer version.
And dont mention the war!
Tom
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Patrick
Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 08:34
Tradidi quod et accepi
So we can blame it all on our parents, Patrick. That's handy.
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Clare
Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 19:41
And worse still, we start preaching what we practise. And it isn't Catholicism.
Clare

This topic is about passing on our Faith to our children; is there any actual evidence that Traditionalists are having any greater success at this than the rest of us?
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Mairtin
Wednesday, 13. October 2010, 06:38
is there any actual evidence that Traditionalists are having any greater success at this than the rest of us?
There is considerable evidence that they aren't - though under the (entirely reasonable) rules of this forum I can't give details here.

Praps I'll just refer you back to St. Augustine (of all people!) who supposedly said "Lord make me chaste - but not just yet!" :angel:
Maybe nothing much has changed after all!
Anne-Marie
FIAT VOLUNTAS DEI
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Mairtin
Wednesday, 13. October 2010, 06:36
Patrick
Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 08:34
Tradidi quod et accepi
So we can blame it all on our parents, Patrick. That's handy.
Ok. What's your point, where are you coming from, and.... where's this leading to? More of the usual snidey stuff that you tend to sling mine and Clare's way? If it is, then I'm not interested.
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Mairtin
Wednesday, 13. October 2010, 06:38
Clare
Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 19:41
And worse still, we start preaching what we practise. And it isn't Catholicism.
Clare

This topic is about passing on our Faith to our children; is there any actual evidence that Traditionalists are having any greater success at this than the rest of us?
Some do, some don't.

We're all living in the same society.
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It would be helpful if a translation of "Tradidi quod et accepi" were posted on here so we who do not understand that language will know what the last few posters are talking about.
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KatyA

According to google:
“Tradidi quod et accepi, I delivered that which I also received” [1 Corinthians 15:3]
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Thanks, Katy for the translation. To avoid yet another argument about traditionalism versus modernism, I will make an effort to get this back to discussion of the article to which you posted a link.
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Monday, 11. October 2010, 17:19
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Catholic parents who have seriously attempted to ground their children in the Church are often flummoxed on that (almost) inevitable day when the kids announce: “I am now very smart and have doubts about all of that.” Having been fed upon the rich wine of faith and reason, scripture, tradition, and culture, our kids often enter adulthood with a stated preference for water. When that happens, it is not time to fret. Have faith in all you have taught them; if you know how to look for it, your kids will demonstrate for you in no uncertain terms which lessons were well-learned, and which were not.

Evidence of their grounding
I enjoyed reading that piece, but I have to say (as a parent of wandering adults) that I wish I was convinced

KatyA
Interesting article.

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The elder son is utterly fearless within the world of screens, monitors, and the universe of ideas, “out there” in the vast, unlimited ‘nets -- but he is cautious to a fault and sometimes hobbled by the instinct toward perfectionism. The younger son is equally fearless about taking on the flesh and blood world; he flings his arms wide open to the universe “out there” amid the vast throng of people he plans to make friends with and eventually rule -- but he is not always cautious enough and is sometimes brought up short by pride. For now, they are fair-minded, generous, and loving men each taking their turn on the faith journey, and they are currently covering that meandering path upon which many of us also traipsed at their ages.

The illusion that all knowledge, perfection, and limitless opportunity are before them will soon enough be tempered by the world and by their own weaknesses; then, perhaps, the familiar, narrower path toward which their spiritual sensors have been trained all their lives will beckon with its light; hopefully when it does, they will recognize it with joy, as part-and-parcel of all they were created to be -- pretty much precisely the people they were on the days they were born -- the quiet dreamer of a planet, and the impatient supernova -- and alive before their Creator, whose glorious mysteries are all before us, every day.


The mother writes about her sons one of whom sees Internet Technology as the source of all knowledge, preaching his version of enlightenment to his parents, and the other one composing and recording pop music having faith that he will be a pop star, probably by next year, because everything works out as it should (he has faith that all will be well) as being somehow on a journey to faith in God.

I think this mother is deluding herself, she WANTS to believe they will find God through their interests. She does not want to accept that the chances are they will not return to the faith she and her husband practice and did try to hand down.

Many parents of all denominations are absolutely gutted when their children reach the stage where they decide they are old enough to make their own decisions about church attendance. We are told most come back eventually. They do not. If that were true congregations in all the mainstream denominations would not have shrunk to their present low level.

They stop attending the church or chapel. My guess is few announce they have become atheists. It begins with resistance to authority, they take on Sunday hobbies such as sport, get used to not going to church, and later are too proud to admit they want to come back.
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KatyA
Wednesday, 13. October 2010, 14:19
According to google:
“Tradidi quod et accepi, I delivered that which I also received” [1 Corinthians 15:3]
Thus suggesting that it is sufficient for us to simply pass on what we have. I fear that as has been proved within Biology in plant and animal cultivation and breeding the quality of the original can never be truly reproduced and with each generation of cloning, be it a plant or an animal there is a reduction in the ability of the offspring to resist infection and there is also an increase in genetic deformities. The same is true in photographic and cinematographic imaging and computer data copying.
In short what I am saying is what we pass on to our children has to be more than we have been given, it needs to have been enriched by our experience for faith is a testament to a living relationship with God not a testament to a bygone age, beautiful though it was in its day.
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Patrick
Wednesday, 13. October 2010, 13:26
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Wednesday, 13. October 2010, 06:36
Patrick
Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 08:34
Tradidi quod et accepi
So we can blame it all on our parents, Patrick. That's handy.
Ok. What's your point, where are you coming from, and.... where's this leading to? More of the usual snidey stuff that you tend to sling mine and Clare's way? If it is, then I'm not interested.
Simply pointing out the meaningless of your Latin soundbite.
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Clare
Wednesday, 13. October 2010, 13:32
Some do, some don't.

We're all living in the same society.
I'll take that as some sort of acceptance that the problems we are facing are to do with Catholicism versus society, nothing to do with the changes in the Church herself over the last 40 years or so.
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