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| Passing On Your Faith; to your own children | |
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| Topic Started: Tuesday, 13. November 2007, 01:40 (1,460 Views) | |
| James | Saturday, 16. May 2009, 22:24 Post #31 |
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Yes, I agree. When a child gets to a certain age then little acts like these can be explained as they go along. In the case of older people - then we are never too old to learn and get good advantgage from the knowledge. A small child sometimes leads up the offertory procession ,holding the bread, in our church. His grandmother hovers behind him with arms nearly enfolding him in case he drops it. But he never does. It takes him a long time as he walks very slowly and carefully. I know as I walk behind with the collection ! He loves it but I think he is still a bit young to explain very much. The priest waits patiently for us and then gives him a little smile. Lovely exposure before instruction Edited by James, Saturday, 16. May 2009, 22:38.
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| Deleted User | Sunday, 17. May 2009, 00:02 Post #32 |
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Although this isn't strictly concerning passing on the faith to our children, I do think this Catholic Herald article highlights the problem of where children and students gain a deeper understanding of the faithNowadays even scholars are ignorant about the Faith |
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| James | Sunday, 17. May 2009, 01:35 Post #33 |
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I think he spent too much time reading the Da Vinci code and The Holy Grail books. They can really confuse you if you don't know any better. Take priest's vestments for instance - did you know that they originated from the early druid ceremonies at Stonehenge. This was the original form of worship and practised by rhe knights templar on the way to Scotland when they escorted Mary Magdalen and her son who escaped from Jeruaslem after the death of Jesus. They remained there for a while and built stonehenge as a massive compass so that when the sun cast shadows in different directions - the ceremonies would inform them what direction to go for the rest of the journey and were very accurate. The party got to scotland but several had to remain in Stonehenge and perform other ceremonial calculations. You can still see their descendants at various times with the original vestments handed down. The sat- nav owes a lot of it's calculations to these early form of worship. Trouble is, in this day of packaged facts and folk with little time to spare will believe anything if there is a bit of mystery and it sounds plausable. Sad, Sad, Edited by James, Sunday, 17. May 2009, 01:38.
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| Derekap | Sunday, 17. May 2009, 21:36 Post #34 |
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I thought, James, the vestments in the Latin Rite originated from Roman clothing. Would the Druids at Stonehenge really have influenced the Church authorities in Rome? |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 17. May 2009, 22:36 Post #35 |
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Derek I think James is being ironic, about authors who make up mystical nonsense. |
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| Derekap | Monday, 18. May 2009, 15:34 Post #36 |
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I'm still on analogue, I haven't got round to digital - yet. Blame it on old age! |
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| James | Monday, 18. May 2009, 19:27 Post #37 |
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Well, at least you have not read the" Da Vinci Code" Derek, by the looks of it. As well as some of the other rubbish. That puts you one up on our friend at Victoris and Albert who appears to have been very influenced by the "new interpretations" Anyway I like analogue - I still play my old LPs and, in good condition, they sound better than digital in most cases. Especially the old HMV ones with the dog and the gramaphone. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 18. May 2009, 23:21 Post #38 |
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Father Peyton, the Rosary Rally priest, used to say The family that prays together, stays together. Not always! I don't think there is a formula to suit all families. Youngsters nowadays expect to have their own independent accommodation from an early age. They house share, on Sundays their friends go off somewhere (football, shopping, whatever) and they feel the pressure to fit in with their peers. Those who leave home to go to University are thrown from sixth form, wearing a school uniform, calling teachers Sir and Miss, straight into independent adult life, paying rent, budgeting, running bank accounts, arranging loans for fees. There is no long, long stride between childhood and adulthood. It is one big instant jump. Is it surprising they go their own way? Lets forget about Youth Masses aimed at teenagers, and give some attention to YOUNG ADULTS. Integrate them into parish life, ask them to give a hand, to take charge of something if they have the ability. We must stop treating them like large children. |
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| KatyA | Monday, 11. October 2010, 17:19 Post #39 |
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Evidence of their grounding I enjoyed reading that piece, but I have to say (as a parent of wandering adults) that I wish I was convinced KatyA |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 11. October 2010, 20:11 Post #40 |
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My parents passed on the Faith by example, and answering my questions. They had backing from the school. The teachers taught us about our Catholic heritage, the catacombs, martyrs, saints. That made us proud to be Catholics. They failed to teach me that God the Father loves me. We learned all about him being ready to punish us. We were to get to Heaven by our own efforts, avoiding mortal sin. Nobody explained that my Father in Heaven loves me so much he years for me to turn to him for forgiveness when I have hurt him. Somehow a balance needs to be found, between "Jesus loves you whatever you get up to you'll be OK" and "Watch out, God's about." |
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| Mairtin | Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 08:13 Post #41 |
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I think that is a lot more difficult nowadays because, whilst every generation in human history has probably regarded the following generation as having gone to pot, there is no doubt that there has been a far greater degree of change over the last 1 - 2 generations than ever before. For example, when we were kids and our parents told us that things like abortion and homosexuality were great evils, it was easy to believe them because society in general regarded those things as evil; nowadays, society doesn't so Catholic parents have to convince their kids to reject what society at large is saying. Also, when we were young, our parents, our teachers and our priests were the dominating influences in moulding the development of our thinking as we grew up; nowadays, kids are subjected to far wider and more intense influences like television and the Internet, so again it is a much harder battle for Catholic parents. |
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| Angus Toanimo | Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 08:34 Post #42 |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 09:51 Post #43 |
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Mairtin,
In my experience everyone knows that abortion is evil - and the younger they are the more the know it. Homosexuality is a more subtle issue but, again, children (well, teenagers) are more intolerant of it than adults. Gerry |
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| Anne-Marie | Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 12:03 Post #44 |
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Thankfully, Mairtin, you chose not to comment on that change... Because that old attitude was exactly what enabled pædophile priests and sadistic nuns to get away with their evils (and politicians to keep their hands firmly in the till). We now (quite rightly) challenge everything - and I happen to think our society (Catholic or otherwise) is a great deal healthier because of that change. If the Catholic Church wants to survive that culture change (and survive it obviously will - Jesus promised it), it has to get its act together, behave itself and start practising what it preaches (other than silence and submission to it). Young people (and most of the rest of us now as well) will no longer respect and tolerate the humbug and hypocrisy of the past: we require good example to follow, or we walk away. We (collectively as 'The Church') preach love, kindness and care... and when it suits us we practice (and often preach, as some have observed elsewhere in this forum) rejection, hurt and hatred for those we object to or disapprove of. And what happens when our temporal power is challenged (be we lay or religious) can be disgusting to see. The modern world (as the people in it) judge by what we do, not what we say. Either we both believe and practice or we will be (rightly) rejected. The younger generation knows right from wrong - many of we oldies have long since forgotten. THAT is what has actually changed Edited by Anne-Marie, Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 12:07.
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| Clare | Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 19:41 Post #45 |
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Yes, well it's difficult when people confuse "practising what one preaches" with "hatred". What many people seem to want today, and in fact what they get, is for us Catholics not to practise what we preach. And worse still, we start preaching what we practise. And it isn't Catholicism. Edited by Clare, Tuesday, 12. October 2010, 19:43.
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