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| Prayers for the Queen | |
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| Topic Started: Monday, 8. October 2007, 01:15 (1,027 Views) | |
| Ned | Tuesday, 9. October 2007, 19:54 Post #31 |
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I pray sincerely for Her Majesty, may God save her and prosper her - I swore the oath of allegiance to her when I joined the Army. Whatever I think of the government she is a decent woman - she never asked for the job, she was just landed with it - and she has worked hard all her life for the good of the people of the UK and the Commonwealth. As christians we have to respect those in authority over us (Saint Paul, Romans, the start of Chapter 13) whatever their religion. That must involve praying for them. I do. I even pray for all the world leaders and our politicians. Remember that old lady who prayed for Hitler every morning - 'Lord, change Hitler. Let him see the evil of his ways. Give him the grace to repent. And, Lord, if you choose not to change him, then call him home, to give you glory in Heaven'. I |
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| Alan | Tuesday, 9. October 2007, 20:31 Post #32 |
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Timothy, I always get concerned when individuals suggest that as Catholics we should be selective in our Prayers.
I hope this clarifies my concern. |
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| Derekap | Tuesday, 9. October 2007, 22:04 Post #33 |
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Alan. Your response at 3.51pm this afternoon saved me responding on similar lines, although not as well you did. I also support Ned's entry at 7.54pm this evening. In a broadcast to the nation before her Coronation HM Queen asked us to pray for her and in a broadcast after the Coronation she thanked us. She usually has some Christian reference in her Christmas broadcasts. I certainly remember the Latin prayer for the monarch of this country being sung at the end of Sung and High Holy Masses in days before V2. One could of course be pedantic that it was not part of the liturgy because we had all been dismissed, but were liable to be criticised if we left the church before The Last Gospel and the prayers after Holy Mass. In the early 1950s I was on my first holiday in Spain when during Lunch on an excursion I happened to be sitting at the same table as a priest from the USA. He recounted that whilst offering Holy Mass during his visit he suddenly came across a prayer for the King in the MISSAL (!). He said he was taken aback, paused and said General Franco instead. He didn't say at which point of the Mass it was placed and I then didn't think to ask where. After Our Lady was assumed into Heaven everyone is a sinner except children before the Age of Reason whether Catholic, non-Catholic, or non-Christian. Everyone needs prayers especially those who have serious responsibilities and in the public eyes. I realise we cannot mention every incident in the Bidding Prayers, but at least if we incude some incidents such will, hopefully, remind us to say a quick pray for victims, rescuers, medics and the relatives and friends when we learn such news. I most certainly do not see anything wrong in this. In fact in pre-Bidding Prayer days I seriously felt such intentions were, sadly, usually ignored. At the most perhaps as a second Collect (in Latin of course). |
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| Timothy | Wednesday, 10. October 2007, 12:27 Post #34 |
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And I would as well, my point was that a specific prayer for the Queen is out dated, as authority and power in this country is held in collection of institutions, Parliament, the Electorate, The European Union, and yes of course the Monarchy. Pray for all in authority. |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 10. October 2007, 14:17 Post #35 |
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Noone is saying you mustn't pray for all in authority. But the Queen is the Head of State. Perhaps if more people had prayed for the Monarch harder in the first place, society wouldn't be in the morally bankrupt mess it's in! Imagine if the Queen were to say "No way! I'm not allowing that law to be passed!" about certain laws that we find objectionable. (Or rather "We are not allowing that law to be passed!" )It's something to pray for! Clare. |
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| Deleted User | Thursday, 11. October 2007, 08:33 Post #36 |
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I think Timothy has a reasonable point. I'm happy for anyone to be prayed for ,of course, but why single the Queen out by name? Especially given the anti-Catholic nature of her office down through the ages. John |
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| Clare | Thursday, 11. October 2007, 08:56 Post #37 |
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Putting the "Fun Dame" into Fundamentalist
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I would have thought the anti-Catholic nature of her office was one reason why we should pray for her specifically! "Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you" Not that she does any persecuting or calumniating, but her office has a reputation! And she isn't a Catholic. Let's pray for her conversion and the constitutional crisis that would ensue! Bring it on! B) Clare. |
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| saundthorp | Thursday, 11. October 2007, 10:38 Post #38 |
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John, No wonder non-Catholics question our loyalty to this country when they read stuff like that. I agree the monarchy has been anti-Catholic in the past but I don't think the same can be said for the present incumbent. When I signed on in the RAF I took the Oath of Allegiance to the Queen. As a Catholic I didn't have a problem with taking that Oath. Would you, or did you have a problem? |
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| Rose of York | Thursday, 11. October 2007, 10:41 Post #39 |
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So did I and a few other members of this forum. We also have members whose loved ones died For King and Country, and in at least one case, for Queen and Country. We knew, when we took the oath, that we swore to obey The Queen, her heirs and successors, and all officers and others placed over us, in their capacity as servants of this nation. It had nothing whatsoever to do with their private lives, behaviour or their families. |
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