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Prayers for the Queen
Topic Started: Monday, 8. October 2007, 01:15 (1,029 Views)
Rose of York
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Clare can you help please? Of the words given by you and those I copied from my (pre 1962) missal which are in the missal currently approved for the Extraordinary Rite?

Timothy, constitutionally the monarch has authority to overrule Parliament.
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Oct 9 2007, 09:32 AM
Clare can you help please? Of the words given by you and those I copied from my (pre 1962) missal which are in the missal currently approved for the Extraordinary Rite?

The Latin ones!

Is there a great deal of difference between the translations?
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Clare I am just curious about the difference between the two, that's all, and I thought you would be able to tell me which is in the 1962 missal. I don't have one.
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I'm sorry Timothy but I'm finding this thread of yours quite bizarre. You seem to be suggesting that we actually single someone out not to be prayed for at Mass, of all places


Bizarre it may be!

I am not suggesting anything of the sort, what I am asking is why we pray for the Queen specifically, she was prayed for specifically on this forum, and I have been at Mass where she was prayed for, and I'm simply asking why that is the case, and if it is appropriate.
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Timothy, constitutionally the monarch has authority to overrule Parliament.


Indeed it does, however in a Constitutional Monarchy if the Monarchy was to exercise its legal power to over rule Parliament it would in reality cause a Constitutional crisis.

The Monarchy has enormous powers, but in reality those powers are not exercised, and if the Monarchy was to exercise them, the reality would be that they wouldn't have those powers for too much longer!
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Oct 9 2007, 09:57 AM
Clare I am just curious about the difference between the two, that's all, and I thought you would be able to tell me which is in the 1962 missal. I don't have one.

I don't have one either. And the online version I looked at doesn't include any prayers after Mass.

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Oct 9 2007, 10:57 AM
...what I am asking is why we pray for the Queen specifically, she was prayed for specifically on this forum, and I have been at Mass where she was prayed for, and I'm simply asking why that is the case, and if it is appropriate.

Because, rightly or wrongly, she's the Monarch! She has a role and duties that noone else has.
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Whats the problem Timothy.

We just pray like that - it's in our nature.

I can see where you are coming from but , although you say you have been at masses where the queen was prayed for, my experience has been different so it is not part of official mass liturgy- more the bidding prayers area.

I think your post may be more about what is NOT being said rather more than what IS being said - methinks. :)
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Timothy
Oct 8 2007, 01:31 AM
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Timothy Her Majesty the Queen is our Head of State.


That is true, but yet I cannot see why she should be explicitly mentioned. Hypothetically, if the Catholic Church in Zimbabwe were to pray for Mugabe, it would be seen as outrageous because of who he is, in the same way in my opinion praying for the Queen, simply because she is Head of State is not appropriate. Although I fully accept that Elizabeth II is absolutely nothing like Mugabe, we should not pray for someone because they are a Head of State, even if we deem them to be doing a reasonable enough job.


We might need to pray very hard if she does not do a reasonable enough job.

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Oct 8 2007, 01:31 AM
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She represents the nation.


I believe she is a figure head to which many in the nation look to, however don't pray for her because of that, pray for the country, but not for someone because they represent the country. Again using the Mugabe theory, he represents the country - but it would be seen as outrageous to pray for him.

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I'm sorry Timothy but I'm finding this thread of yours quite bizarre. You seem to be suggesting that we actually single someone out not to be prayed for at Mass, of all places


Bizarre it may be!

I am not suggesting anything of the sort, what I am asking is why we pray for the Queen specifically, she was prayed for specifically on this forum, and I have been at Mass where she was prayed for, and I'm simply asking why that is the case, and if it is appropriate.

Sunday Prayer Requests are posted by moderators. We include all requests received, some are received privately, some are picked up from postings in our Prayer Group. Some are posted because a moderator decides to include them.

No prayer for anyone, as an individual or due to a position held, is inappropriate or outrageous, in any situation or place.

There is no reason why explanations should be given.
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We always keep prayers for our leaders in our liturgy. These people probably need prayer more than most!!! And yes, we pray for Mr. Bush.
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I'm really not old :D , but I do have a vague recollection of prayers for "Our monarch Elizabeth and all the royal family" after Mass.

I've always liked this one but it isn't heard much now
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Prayer for England

O Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God and our most gentle Queen and Mother look down in mercy upon England, thy dowry, and upon us who greatly hope and trust in thee.

By thee it was that Jesus, our Saviour and our hope was given unto the world; and He has given thee to us that we might hope still more.

Plead for us thy children, whom thou didst receive and accept at the foot of the cross, O Sorrowful Mother, Intercede for our separated brethren, that with us in the one true fold, they may be united to the Chief Shepherd, the Vicar of thy Son.

Pray for us all, dear Mother, that by faith, fruitful in good works we may all deserve to see and praise God, together with thee in our heavenly home.

AMEN.

Composed by Cardinal Wiseman, supplied by The Guild of Our Lady of Ransom.

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PS There is one for Wales as well, but I can't find one for Scotland. Perhaps Nelly can help?
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I am finding this a very concerning thread.

1. The Leader of the Political Party with most seats in the House of Commons must ask the Permission of her Majesty to form a Government.

As Head of state we have a duty to include her in our Prayers. We are very fortunate that our Monarch is Christian with a firm belief in God. So it is right that we should storm heaven for her intentions as we Pray that she will always use " right judgment " in the manner in which she rules.

2. Mr Mugabe should equally be prayed for so that we prayerfully ask God to help him in seeing the harm which he is causing in his own nation. The same applies to other leaders of nations.

This equally applies to all world leaders.

3. By your standards Timothy we should not Pray for Terrorists.

As Catholics surely we are always required to pray for the needs of others.

We should also Pray for people of other faiths and none in the hope that they will embrace the One True Church.

Why do we have Prisoners Sunday? Is it only to Pray for those who are "improperly" imprisoned or is it for all prisoners.

If we decide to exclude particular groups of people from individual Prayer then we have no right to name anyone in our Prayer Requests. Such as Sean, Jude, Richard or numerous others who have submitted specific requests.

Catholics must always be inclusive in their Prayers.

The purpose of naming individuals is to concentrate our Prayers for those named.

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Well said, Alan.

I don't think there's anyone we shouldn't pray for.

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44 But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you...
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I am finding this a very concerning thread.


My goodness, you get concerned very easily!


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We are very fortunate that our Monarch is Christian with a firm belief in God. So it is right that we should storm heaven for her intentions as we Pray that she will always use " right judgment " in the manner in which she rules.


What has her being Christian and having a belief in God got to do with us praying for her? I raise this point because no one has given me a convincing reason why we pray specifically for the Queen, (while not for the government as well for example.) Some have said that because she is the Head of State we should pray for her, and that is an acceptable point, however you state that being a Christian and a believer in God justifies praying for her. If a non-Christian became monarch would you pray for them?





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This equally applies to all world leaders.


Why not pray for everyone in authority, that they use there power wisely and for the benefit of all.

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By your standards Timothy we should not Pray for Terrorists.


What has standards got to do with this? I simply asked why we pray for the Queen, I haven't asked for those prayers to stop, I simply wanted an explanation.

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As Catholics surely we are always required to pray for the needs of others.


Yes I agree, and not just a select few.

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We should also Pray for people of other faiths and none in the hope that they will embrace the One True Church.


Would you suggest praying for the Queen that she will convert to the One True Church?

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Why do we have Prisoners Sunday? Is it only to Pray for those who are "improperly" imprisoned or is it for all prisoners.


It's for all prisoners, as everyone needs to be prayed for, more so people who don't deserve our prayers!

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If we decide to exclude particular groups of people from individual Prayer then we have no right to name anyone in our Prayer Requests. Such as Sean, Jude, Richard or numerous others who have submitted specific requests.

Catholics must always be inclusive in their Prayers.


That is my point exactly.

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The purpose of naming individuals is to concentrate our Prayers for those named.


I disagree I don't believe naming individuals is necessary, and if you name certain people, and ignore others that is not being "inclusive."


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I think your post may be more about what is NOT being said rather more than what IS being said - methinks


Definitely.
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Timothy you try my patience. I was worried earlier today in case I lost my temper on a thread which is about prayer to Almighty God.

As you appear to be rather thick skinned, I now feel is is best to spell it out.

I personally chose to include Her Majesty the Queen in the Prayer Requests.

All requests for named persons are in there at the request of individual members.

No-one is asked to explain why they want a specific request including, providing it does not contravene Catholic Cyberforum guidelines.

We happen to be a group of friends, over three years we have developed a family atmosphere, and it would be a bad do if any Catholics did not pray specifically for their friends and relatives. For three years our aim has been to form a group of mutually supportive members. The named persons in Sunday Prayer Request are in the main relatives and friends of our members. I trust you would pray to God specifically for a named family member or personal friend.

The matter of why we include specific requests is not open for public discussion.

Any complaints about forum policies should be addressed to moderators by private message.
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