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| Topic Started: Monday, 8. October 2007, 01:15 (1,028 Views) | |
| Timothy | Monday, 8. October 2007, 01:15 Post #1 |
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Why do we pray for Queen Elizabeth? Not that I begrudge the lady any prayers or begrudge her at all. But as the Supreme Head of the Church of England is it correct that we pray for her in Mass? I have only rarely seen a Catholic Priest pray for the Queen, and if he did, it was said in the context of praying for those in authority, and thus included the Government. I apologise if this post is deemed to have been made in an inappropriate location. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 8. October 2007, 01:22 Post #2 |
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Timothy Her Majesty the Queen is our Head of State. She represents the nation. If you have an old Latin/English missal, take a look at the Prayers Ordered by the Pope, which we used to say after Mass. The Hail Holy Queen and the prayer to St Michael are followed by the Prayer for the Queen. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 8. October 2007, 01:24 Post #3 |
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Timothy if I can't find the Prayer for the Queen on the internet I will type it, probably tomorrow. This is worthy of discussion so I moved it from Sunday Prayer Requests thread to one of its own. |
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| Timothy | Monday, 8. October 2007, 01:31 Post #4 |
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That is true, but yet I cannot see why she should be explicitly mentioned. Hypothetically, if the Catholic Church in Zimbabwe were to pray for Mugabe, it would be seen as outrageous because of who he is, in the same way in my opinion praying for the Queen, simply because she is Head of State is not appropriate. Although I fully accept that Elizabeth II is absolutely nothing like Mugabe, we should not pray for someone because they are a Head of State, even if we deem them to be doing a reasonable enough job.
I believe she is a figure head to which many in the nation look to, however don't pray for her because of that, pray for the country, but not for someone because they represent the country. Again using the Mugabe theory, he represents the country - but it would be seen as outrageous to pray for him. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 8. October 2007, 01:54 Post #5 |
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If I moderated a Catholic forum for Zimbabwean people I would include a prayer for Robert Mugabe in the Sunday Prayer Requests. I bet a lot of priests prayed for Adolf Hitler but not at Mass. for fear of reprisals against parishioners. On this forum we have included on occasion, in Sunday Prayer Requests, criminals including murderers and child abusers. A lot of the requests are sent by members to moderators, by private message. We have never refused a request. We don't restrict our prayers to virtuous members of the Catholic Church.
Timothy I was surprised to read that (originally on the Sunday Prayer Request thread). When I do the Sunday Prayer Requests it matters not whether I have heard a priest pray for any person or any intention. Administering the sacraments other than marriage and in emergency, baptism, is the preserve of priests. Prayer is the privilege and duty of all. The Prayer for the Queen was approved by Cardinal Griffin, and continued with the approval of Cardinal Heenan, so I see no problem with it. I heard a Japanese Head of State say, on Radio, that other heads of state seek advice from our Queen because she is the most experienced State Head in the world, and that successive prime ministers of the United Kingdom are known to have consulted her because of that experience. Who knows, whether prayers for the royal family will eventually lead to the conversion of a Sovereign Head of the United Kingdom to the One True Faith, and England being Mary's Dowry as in days of yore? Our prayer for the Queen is a prayer for her in her capacity as Head of State. |
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| Clare | Monday, 8. October 2007, 09:02 Post #6 |
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We certainly should pray for the head of state. They have responsibilities. And Mugabe should certainly be prayed for! He's a baddie, and therefore we should pray for his conversion, and that he gets his act together. And when he dies, we should pray for the repose of his soul! Here's the prayer for the Queen, as sung after "Extraordinary" Sung Masses: Domine, salvam fac reginam nostram Elisabeth, et exaudi nos in die, qua invocaverimus te. Oremus. Quaesumus, omnipotens Deus, ut famula tua Elisabeth, regina nostra, qui tua miseratione suscepit regni gubernacula, virtutum etiam omnium percipiat incrementa; quibus decenter ornata, et vitiorum monstra devitare, (hostes superare) et ad te qui via, veritas, et vita es, cum [principe consorte et prole regia, gratiosa valeat pervenire. Per Christum Dominum nostrum. Amen. Lord, save our Queen Elizabeth, and graciously hear us in the day when we call upon Thee. Let us pray. Almighty God, we pray that Thy servant our Queen Elizabeth, who by Thy mercy has undertaken the government of this realm, may receive increase of all the virtues; so fittingly adorned, may she be enabled to avoid all foul temptations, (overcome her enemies), and with her prince consort and the Royal family, may she at the last be welcomed by Thee, who art the way, the truth, and the life. Through Christ our Lord. Amen http://members.aol.com/liturgialatina/misc/dominesalvam.htm |
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| Timothy | Monday, 8. October 2007, 12:54 Post #7 |
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I think that prayer is much more appropriate as we pray for her role, rather than simply for her. However the prayer is rather outdated considering the Queen has not "undertaken the government of this realm," and it should included reference to the elected leaders of the country, who although not a head of state, they exercise far more real power and receive great pressure and responsibility. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 8. October 2007, 13:13 Post #8 |
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Timothy this started off as a response to yesterday's forum Prayer Requests for Sunday. I used the posting to start a new thread, because it could be a big topic. If you look at our previous requests for Sundays you will see a wide variety of requests including service personnel of all nations, emergency services, leaders of nations, and specifically Gordon Brown when he became Prime Minister. http://z10.invisionfree.com/Catholic_Cyber...topic=357&st=30 We cannot put everything on there every week, so we introduce changes from time to time. Its my turn to do the requests for the month of October. The prayer for the Queen will be on there for the remainder of this month. I may add other world leaders, depending on events. |
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| Timothy | Monday, 8. October 2007, 13:28 Post #9 |
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I'm not criticising your prayer discussion, and feel free naturally to pray for who you wish, I'm not even discussing it regarding this website, I'm addressing the issue of the Church praying for the Queen. Aside from the issue of prayers for the Queen, I personally don't like when at Mass the bidding prayers refer to specific events from the week, as it seems to me that when that does take place the prayers often only mention certain events, ignoring ones which perhaps didn't get chosen by Sky News or BBC to report that week, two of our Parish Priests made a point of not referring to any specific incident, instead praying for those affected by war, or by natural disasters etc. Is there any logic in specifically praying for the Queen simply during the month of October for example? And "depending on events" who will be your source for those events? |
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| James | Monday, 8. October 2007, 23:55 Post #10 |
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Timothy writes. I'm not criticising your prayer discussion, and feel free naturally to pray for who you wish, I'm not even discussing it regarding this website, I'm addressing the issue of the Church praying for the Queen. Timothy, Perhaps it's me again and I do not understand. But this is just a few forum members praying for intentions. They are not the church per se Does the catholic church refer to the Queen of England as part of official church prayer ?. I think the Church of England may. Contradict me if I am wrong here because I have never heard the words Clare mentioned at any mass ever I've been at. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 9. October 2007, 00:26 Post #11 |
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Sorry, Tim, I'm not going to be drawn into giving reasons for any prayer requests, or sources. I find explaining motives for prayer requests amongst a small group of friends, rather unseemly. It just happens I am doing the Sunday Requests this month, and I do my best. It would make no difference if this was any other month of the year. Many requests come from members, who are reminded, from time to time, that they can post them publicly or if they prefer anonymity for personal matters, they can pm any moderator in confidence, and we then use pseudonyms. If you want anything including, just let us know please. |
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| Timothy | Tuesday, 9. October 2007, 00:33 Post #12 |
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I made clear I wasn't referring to them personally, but I was hypothetically asking if it was appropriate in a Catholic Mass. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 9. October 2007, 00:56 Post #13 |
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Neither have I. This is in my old Latin/English Daily Missal. First there are Prayers Ordered by The Pope, to be said kneeling after Low Mass: Salve Regina (Hail Holy Queen) and the Prayer to St Michael (the one that starts 'Holy Michael Archangel, defend us in the day of battle' finally V Most Sacred Heart of Jesus R Have Mercy upon us. then we come to PRAYER FOR THE QUEEN IN ENGLAND (After High Mass on Sundays) V O Lord, save Elizabeth our Queen. R And hear us on the day when we shall call upon Thee. V Lord, hear my prayer. R And let my cry come unto Thee. V The Lord be with you. R And with thy spirit. Let us pray. - We beseech Thee, Almighty God, that thy servant, N, our Queen, who has been called, by Thy mercy, to rule over this kingdom,may also receive from Thee an increase of all virtues. Fittingly adorned therewith may she shun all evildoing (overcome her enemies) and by Thy grace, attain, together with her Consort, and the royal family, to Thee Who art the way, the truth and the life. Through Christ our Lord. R Amen. |
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| saundthorp | Tuesday, 9. October 2007, 08:08 Post #14 |
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I'm sorry Timothy but I'm finding this thread of yours quite bizarre. You seem to be suggesting that we actually single someone out not to be prayed for at Mass, of all places. :blink: |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 9. October 2007, 09:14 Post #15 |
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:o Have you not been at a sung or High Mass? I'll see if I can find an example of it being sung, online. Maybe the tune will be familiar. |
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