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| Topic Started: Friday, 28. September 2007, 13:09 (2,047 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Wednesday, 3. October 2007, 21:42 Post #121 |
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The women with qualifications have the choices of "career", as do men. Neither men nor women are guaranteed choice of employment, especially if they lack good qualifications. A business makes every effort to fill all vacancies. Most women can operate a till. A minority of women can do the heavy work in the supermarket loading bay, so women are usually the ones chosen for the tills, and men are more likely to be allocated the heavier work. It makes sense. Everybody wants a nice job, but we don't all get what we want, whether we are male or female. |
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| Derekap | Wednesday, 3. October 2007, 22:13 Post #122 |
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When I restarted civilian work after National Service, women were very much in a minority in Banks, Insurance Offices, Building Societies, Post Offices etc. exce;pt a s shorthand typists. Now men are very much in a minority. |
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| Mrs Jamie | Wednesday, 3. October 2007, 22:25 Post #123 |
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Sorry Clare but you still aren't making any sense.... You now seem to be saying that just because in some historic past men had little choice about their careers women shouldn't have any choice now .....Why not? Today men AND women can choose the career best suited to their educational background and their talents.... Besides if we are looking to history as a model we'd be living in caves, eating raw food and dying for want of penicillin...... I'm not saying women 'should' go out to work - but if they want or need to, there is no reason why they should not have the same opportunities as men, not least because many of them have the same responsibilities as men. My grandmother "went out to work". She was a war widow with ten children - not a "career" choice, I imagine, as she took in washing - but the alternative would have been to see her children taken into care.....and I'd like to think the hours she spent hunched over a wash board were as worthy of recompense as the same work done by a man...... |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 3. October 2007, 22:54 Post #124 |
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There is not much more I can say on here about working women, except: Full time mothers work hard. I was one for a few happy years, and I used to get annoyed when people said "you don't work, do you?" |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 3. October 2007, 23:22 Post #125 |
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No. I am saying that women should stop pretending that all women were oppressed by all men! And that men always had an easy life. They always had glamorous careers etc. I find it insulting to men. |
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| Derekap | Thursday, 4. October 2007, 09:23 Post #126 |
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A Jo'burg newspaper web-site says it is believed between 150 and 200 women are among those rescued or still trapped in the gold mine! |
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| Emee | Thursday, 4. October 2007, 22:19 Post #127 |
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Interesting Derek... May God Our Loving Father send His comfort to all who were trapped at this time of trauma. As an observation, I work for my local council. My job necessitates that I visit all the different departments, divisions and sections. I have to say, when I go to the Engineering Division it is still completely male-dominated, whereas secretarial / administrative areas are still predominantly female-dominated. At the schools, it is pretty much 50/50. So maybe things haven't really changed THAT much... :) |
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| Clare | Thursday, 4. October 2007, 23:12 Post #128 |
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Well, go back a hundred years or so and see how female-dominated secretarial work was!
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| Emee | Friday, 5. October 2007, 07:08 Post #129 |
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At the risk of repeating myself from past postings Clare, it depends what timescale we are using in the goalposts... I was kind of thinking of throughout the 20th Century as the benchmark for my post... But actually if you look at the history of women working since Biblical times their work has been many and varied through the centuries, however, it would seem that their longest standing professions have been teaching and nursing. And these days you need to go to university to do both... :D |
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| Clare | Friday, 5. October 2007, 10:08 Post #130 |
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The 20th century is recent! Lots changed then. |
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| maklavan | Friday, 5. October 2007, 15:12 Post #131 |
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This is a spin-off from the desire of the post Apartheid government in South Africa to guarantee total equality and an absence of sexism in the realm of employment. for many years, women in the Soviet Union did work that would have been unthinkable in the UK. Can one picture Mrs Beckham or some of the self-appointed celebrities of the British scene working in the mines?
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| Derekap | Friday, 5. October 2007, 21:47 Post #132 |
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I'm not sure but I think the first shorthand typists were probably men and women took over during World War One. Certainly my father wrote and read Pitman's Shorthand fluently until almost his death at 91(*). My mother was a shorthand typist until she married and then, like most women at that era, resigned when when got married. (*) He complained that my wife could read his notes but he couldn't read hers in her mother tongue. |
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| Emee | Friday, 5. October 2007, 22:08 Post #133 |
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Clare I also said in that post: "But actually if you look at the history of women working since Biblical times their work has been many and varied through the centuries, however, it would seem that their longest standing professions have been teaching and nursing. And these days you need to go to university to do both... " But you did not pick up on that - only on my 20th Century reference to women doing secretarial work. Neither did you pick up on the fact that I mentioned that engineering is still male dominated and that teaching was about 50/50 - and let's face it women were teaching LONG before the 20th Century. Clare you picked up what you could pick holes in. |
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| K.T.B. | Saturday, 6. October 2007, 14:02 Post #134 |
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Sometimes I think lots of us people, male and female, of working age feel "burnt out". KatyA has made some interesting remarks on the "Parish Soceties" thread in the "Where Are They Now" section, about young people in particular feeling they need to lead frenetic lives, leaving little or no time for Church or prayer. I feel we're all too embroiled in the Puritan/Protestant work ethic in this country, resulting in the long hours culture and the apparant need to spend every waking hour being "productive" in some way. Even children seem to be affected. My children have had homework to do after school since the age of five. My youngest has now moved up to Key Stage Two at school, meaning that he no longer gets a play in the afternoon, as do the younger children, but he's only seven! I lead a busy, intense life. Sometimes I feel guilty just for resting and doing nothing! I don't think I'm unique in this, my peers are similarly busy. Once again, my faith helps me through life, and like Emee, I make Sunday a day for church and family, and I can change gear for a day (that's when I don't go to work in the evening ).Give me the older, monastic outlook to work any day, where working is part of the rythm of life, with time put aside for prayer and rest. |
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| Mrs Jamie | Saturday, 6. October 2007, 15:23 Post #135 |
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There was a survey in the Telegraph this week, which reported that Protestant countries appear to be more hard-working than Catholic ones, something which the survey attributed to the "Protestant work ethic". I wondered if the survey hadn't rather missed the point.... I think the weather has probably got a lot to do with it....when temperatures reach the 100s in Spain, Italy, Malta, south of France etc in the summer months, I reckon everyone does slow down a bit, and maybe even have a siesta....whereas in the chilly Protestant north, when the rain lashes down throughout the "summer" everyone gets stuck in to keep warm...... :rolleyes: |
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