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| Topic Started: Friday, 28. September 2007, 13:09 (2,050 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Monday, 1. October 2007, 22:36 Post #76 |
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A kind, helpful MAN found them first. :D
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| Emee | Monday, 1. October 2007, 22:43 Post #77 |
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Oops! Sorry Mick. I was away at the weekend visiting my mother and did not get a chance to read your post. I need to read the documents you kindly supplied links to. From Rose's snippet they sound great reading!! |
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| nelly k | Monday, 1. October 2007, 22:57 Post #78 |
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Iam a generally happy burned out woman, in my 40`s so was my Gran, and a few other women of her era and my Mothers... . My Granny had 6 children one died in infancy one died as a toddeler, her Mum died and her Dad stayed with her the children and my Grandad... yes she was burnt out, what`s new... just work has changed but we all work in some shape or form... would I like to have been a full time Mum and Houswife, yes... but I aint rich enough... nelly |
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| James | Monday, 1. October 2007, 22:59 Post #79 |
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My youngest daughter is in her early twenties and works in a city. She moves about a bit between jobs and seems to hold out for what she thinks she is worth. She is a PA. She does not appear to have much trouble getting the work she wants and I am often surprised by this as I often think the companies would be looking for someone more mature and experienced. She gets very good money. I think sometimes that if she is not really settled when she is in her thirties then the competition from her age group now will be more attractive to these companies. She is flexible and will only take so much from the directors so they try to hold on to her. I wonder if she or they will be the same when she is in her thirties. |
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| Derekap | Tuesday, 2. October 2007, 10:01 Post #80 |
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When I was young most people looked for a job for life and if they did change the fact that they did not change jobs every five minutes stood them a good chance. A person who changed every five minutes was a "suspect". Nowadays the more one changes jobs the better the chance of a new job because of their wide experience. Being a cynic I tend to suspect people sometimes leave their jobs before the faults and weaknesses of the ideas they put into effect catch-up with them. |
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| James | Tuesday, 2. October 2007, 11:12 Post #81 |
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Derekap Well, it was the same with me. The company always looked for promotion internally and new recruits started at the bottom as it were. Now I see young girls of twenty odd in places where you would only see a forty or fifty year old, some thirty years ago. I found, in a position in charge of others, that I did not seem to panic. The main reason was the experience and I knew that I could understand the work which anybody below me was doing. It was rare to be put in charge of somebody whose job you did not know something about and , of course, many of the people with whom I worked were known to me beforehand. My daughter told me that they want her to take charge of an office as well soon, as the office manager there "has not got a clue" and they are trying to get rid of him soon. Why appoint people when it is easy to know whether they can do the jobs or not and so not put these people under stress. A manager out of his/her depth can radiate stress all around them into others. Or are these CV's a complete work of fiction which impress guillable HR staff. |
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| Quicunque vult | Tuesday, 2. October 2007, 21:53 Post #82 |
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Rose wrote:
Put like that, obviously not. But I could cite examples going the other way. Hard cases make bad law. QV |
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| Emee | Tuesday, 2. October 2007, 22:07 Post #83 |
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Nevertheless QV Pope John Paul II was obviously very clear about where the Church stood on the matter... Equal pay legislation is only fair, right and proper. And I'm certainly no ardent militant feminist... :) |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 2. October 2007, 22:30 Post #84 |
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Wages are paid in return for labour. What the person does with the money is nothing to do with the employer. If it were, it would be right and just to pay bachelors less than married men with children, low wages to people who had received interest on capital, also wages would have to be higher or lower according to how many children were supported by the worker. Businesses cannot operate in that fashion. It is the responsibility of Government to award appropriate tax free allowances, to support families persons unable to take gainful employment. Paying low incomes to women because they are women is nonsensical.
90% of cases are "hard" if they have mortgages and children. That is the usual reason for young mothers going out to work. |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 2. October 2007, 23:35 Post #85 |
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I don't see a problem with women being given lower incomes than men. A lower income need not be a "low" income! Equal pay for equal work. Do women do the same work as men? Take tennis, for example! Women play fewer sets, and moan that their prize money is less! Well, play more sets then! Women are prone to getting pregnant. No Catholic employer could demand that a married woman employee under no circumstances gets pregnant! Then there's that monthly unpleasantness. It can be excruciating! I remember often having to lie down in a stationery cupboard for an hour or so! It's the way God made us! |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 2. October 2007, 23:53 Post #86 |
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Clare, the women tennis players don't do as much as the men, so their argument holds no water. As a general rule women do the same work as men. If a woman wants to earn her living digging holes in the ground she should not do it if she cannot produce the same results as a man, in the same time. The same applies to a man not strong enough to do the job fast enough. A female graduate starts work at 21. She is hardly likely to get pregnant after 40, so that would not affect her employment after that age. That gives the pregnancy argument 19 years. Staff are paid for what they do this week or next month, not for what might happen in the future. What about men and women who keep moving jobs? There is no guarantee any worker will be with the firm in two months time. As for having PMT not every woman gets it regularly, and most can get effective medical help. Men are more likely than women to take part in dangerous sports. They take time off for injury. A single woman has to put a roof over her head, and pay the bills. Clare I think it probably that you would feel differently if it was necessary for you to take paid employment. How would you feel if you were sole breadwinner, with twenty years experience of your job and a teenage youth who had just left school was paid more than you simply because he was male? |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 2. October 2007, 23:57 Post #87 |
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I didn't mention PMT, but there's that too! |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 3. October 2007, 00:00 Post #88 |
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OK you mentioned pain. So, a female member of staff gets pain or PMT. Her male colleage bashed his thumb with a hammer indulging in DIY. That makes them both useless.
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| Clare | Wednesday, 3. October 2007, 00:02 Post #89 |
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I would be happy for a man with equivalent or more experience than I, to be paid more. As long as I was paid enough! Where I've worked, we weren't supposed to discuss our salaries with colleagues anyway. |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 3. October 2007, 00:09 Post #90 |
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Thats an old trick. It can lead to friction. Nobody has given a reason why a man should be paid more than a woman, just because he is a man (married or single, father or childless) Try this: Should a man who is actively hom osex ual be paid more than a widow with ten children? |
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