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Women Burned Out At 30!
Topic Started: Friday, 28. September 2007, 13:09 (2,052 Views)
Rose of York
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Clare
Sep 30 2007, 10:47 PM

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If women did not have opportunities to earn their own living there would be fewer divorces, and more women with black eyes, unable to see a way out of the situation.


Since when have Catholics regarded "fewer divorces" as a bad thing?

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Clare I do not mean fewer divorces would be a bad thing. I do say many marriages that broke down due to not being loving relationships continued because women had great difficulty in freeing themselves from violence. The sight of women with black eyes used to be far more common than it is now.

Some (but not all) of those marriages would be null and void anyway.
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Quicunque vult
Sep 30 2007, 10:42 PM
Mrs Jamie wrote:

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"My mum went to work, that's why I'm hom osex ual"

Pernicious nonsense.


That's not the argument! It's breaking the link between sex and procreation, an ardent feminist cause, from which all sorts of horrors have come.

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Emme's posting, Sep 30 2007, 11:21 PM says it all. She needs to work. She never wanted to. We are not all in a position to influence house prices. Blame the banks and media for that. The result is that mothers and fathers are in a difficult situation.

Most mothers who go out to work do it out of necessity.

My mother had to go out to work, after many years struggling financially. I was for long periods the sole breadwinner, out of necessity. So did most of the women who post on this forum. Should we bring our children up in houses with leaking roofs, say "I'm sorry you'll just have to carry on wearing those shoes, I know they are so tight they do permanent damage to your feet, but Daddy can't support us and I must not go out to work"?

It broke my heart, collecting a child from nursery and being told "He ate his dinner by himself today, for the first time. He didn't need any help at all". It still hurts forty years on.

Please spare a thought for the vast majority of working mothers, stacking shelves, doing repetitive work on keyboards, taking the abuse at call centres, cleaning mens' toilets. We are not all ardent feminist career women.
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Rose, yes.

I can imagine your hurt... There are so many sacrifices to be made...

I can't add anything to that...
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Sep 30 2007, 11:40 PM
Rose, yes.

I can imagine your hurt... There are so many sacrifices to be made...

I can't add anything to that...

I can. A lot of mothers go out to work because it breaks their hearts, seeing their young husbands dreading the approach of the postman, bearing yet another bill, wondering how it can be paid on time.

One does not think of the link between sex and procreation when gets one's first pay slip for years and joyfully spends it on new bedding for the children.
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Mrs Jamie

Rose again makes some very sensible posts....

And in any case some posters are talking of working women as if it was something new - women throughout the ages have always worked - and their children too.....up chimneys, down mines, in prostitution.....

Today some women have the luxury (and it is a luxury) to stay at home if they wish. But many women - probably most women - HAVE to work to supplement the family income.

And I think there is an element of envy at work: many women "stuck at home" would actually be happier if they could find congenial and fulfilling work which offered them adult companionship for part of the day.....

I remember after 12 years at home being absolutely amazed at the courtesy and kindness of grown-ups, after the endlessly exhausting squabbles that go on between three small boys.....

And once children are at school, why on earth wouldn't you want to do something with your time and talents?
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When the peasants were starving due to lack of bread, Marie Antoinette sniffed snootily and said "Let them eat cake".

Average pre tax income, £20,000+ Average house price £200,000+

Let us sniff snootily and say "Let them move to affordable houses".

The problem lies in the economic situation. Don't blame mothers.
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Mrs Jamie

At the risk of being boring may I agree with you again Rose......

But I would also ask again WHY - if your children are in full time education - would you NOT want to do something more interesting with your mind than housework....

Housework notoriously tends to expand to fill the hours you have available to do it, and working - even part time - does require planning and discipline.....but work - if you are lucky enough to find the right sort of work - is fulfilling, interesting, mind-expanding, sociable and puts butter on the bread and even the occasional dab of jam.

It also gives wives something interesting to discuss with their spouse when he returns from work.

Or is marriage just a meal ticket which condemns men to work all the hours God sends to keep the little woman in clean dusters for the rest of her life.....

I'd have more respect for my husband than that - and he has more respect for me than to object to my working on the spurious grounds that I would be better employed pairing his socks....

(And before you ask, I also care for elderly parents and have done voluntary work).

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Mrs Jamie
Oct 1 2007, 11:02 AM
At the risk of being boring may I agree with you again Rose......

But I would also ask again WHY - if your children are in full time education  - would you NOT want to do something more interesting with your mind than housework....

Mrs Jamie I for one am not bored by this.

Say a woman now aged 50 gave up paid work thirty years ago as soon as she was expecting her first child, never took part or full time work even after the children did not need her to be a full time mother, and now her husband dies or loses his health. How could she get a job now? The modern work place needs modern skills.

Mrs Jamie
Oct 1 2007, 11:02 AM

Or is marriage just a meal ticket which condemns men to work all the hours God sends to keep the little woman in clean dusters for the rest of her life.....


I feel sorry for men in that position, being at the beck and call of the little woman who thinks it is not her place to deal with blocked sinks and power failures, drive a car, use screw drivers, protecting her domain, forbidding him to "interfere in the kitchen".

The widow who got a driving license fifty years ago, and never drove again because it was "not her place", wakes up the day after her husband's funeral, picks up the car keys and takes up driving again. Those women are the most dangerous species known to man.

Dusting is a major cause of female stress. :rofl:
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James
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I think for anyone it is not a question of work.
"Work never killed anybody "as they say.
The question is "are you happy with what you are doing"?.
If you are happy with your work then you are ok.
And if you are ok then life is ok.

There must be some form or sense of achievemrnt.
A happy person cleaning toilets can stand and admire the difference he/she has made and is happy with it.
An office worker with a fine sounding title can spend hours processing important documents through a computer and is bored stiff.

So people are burnt out mainly - not by the work itself - but by the fact they are not really happy with what they are doing.


PS to Mrs Jamie.
What sort of book are you writing ?
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I know this may sound silly, but I always used to think that Jesus was with me on jobs and still do somtimes and I would speak to him like a "mate" beside me.

We are doing ok on this !!
How do you think we should go about this?

And you know I used to get answers - don't know if it was all me though in the end.

For example This is a big job so how will we go about it. ?
Answer - we just do one little thing at a time well and forget the whole job until we look back on it.

Why am I frustrated about this job.
Answer - it is becuse you are trying to do too much in the time you have allocated.
Do in two hours what you do in two hours and be happy with that and we will get the job done eventually.

As I say - probably me being silly.!!
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Oct 1 2007, 12:07 PM
I know this may sound silly, but I always used to think that Jesus was with me on jobs and still do somtimes and I would speak to him like a "mate" beside me.

We are doing ok on this !!
How do you think we should go about this?

And you know I used to get answers - don't know if it was all me though in the end.

Please ask Him how to make one of those cakes that has ice cream in the centre.

Do you think he is likely to say that's womens' work?

I wonder if Mary did the quotations and invoices for Joseph.
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Mrs Jamie



I wonder if Mary did the quotations and invoices for Joseph. [/QUOTE]

Well with only one - extremely well-behaved - child to care for I am sure she did, after all traditionally St Anne is show teaching Our Lady to read.
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Well - he probably did the quotations and she did the invoices !!

Regarding the cake - I will have to try and make one and ask him as I go along.
I'll let you know what he says.

Probably - render unto the woman what is the woman's and unto the man what is the man's.
Ask Rose to start one and I'll give her a hand.

To me - that grass needs cutting -- let's get out there :rofl:
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Mrs Jamie.

You are still keeping me guessing about this book of yours.
Is it mystery and suspense with supernatural powers interwoven to form a complex thriller that will hold me in suspense until the very last line when all will be revealed.
Or - one of those sloppy romance stories for the girls. :wacko:
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Oct 1 2007, 01:06 PM
To me - that grass needs cutting -- let's get out there  :rofl:


I thought you had a wife!


On Friday I raked and sifted topsoil and planted little tiny lettuce plants. On Saturday I noticed next door's cats had dug them up. Off I went to the garden centre, to buy a gadget that emits a noise that scares cats, but cannot be heard by humans.

Because I was sifting soil and planting little tiny lettuce plants the old man had to make his own tea and, horror of horrors, put something in the oven.

If the other person had been a twelve year old boy or girl, not a husband, would my behaviour have been sinful neglect, or is it acceptable for a mother to dig holes at home, but not in the workplace, as an employee.
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