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| Women Burned Out At 30! | |
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| Topic Started: Friday, 28. September 2007, 13:09 (2,053 Views) | |
| Mrs Jamie | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 10:38 Post #31 |
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| Mrs Jamie | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 10:42 Post #32 |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 12:46 Post #33 |
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Link to the survey
What's new? Now the mothers go out to work. They can! They are not at home doing the laundry by hand, wringing clothes out in a mangle, struggling to get it dry, boiling water for the tin bath, making clothes, pushing heavy prams up hills, struggling to walk home with a week's shopping, and darning the childrens' socks.
What's new? The lucky ones who were housewives used to work their guts out in the home. They got up in the night to see to sick children because the men had to be at work on time. Nowadays the children have to be taken to cubs or brownies Monday, swimming Tuesday, ballet or indoor sports club Wednesday, supermarket with the parents Thurday, indoor skiing Friday, football Saturday, and on Sunday every collapses with exhaustion. Its just a different route to exhaustion.
Poor diet? It takes ten minutes to peel and chop vegetables, put them in a container with meat or fish and shove it in a microwave or conventional oven. How long does it take to get the car out of the garage, drive to the take-away, wait for the meal, and drive home?
What's new? Women outlive men, so our lives can't be tough. Lets be fair. Men can get tired and stressed. |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 12:48 Post #34 |
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Is it any wonder a generation are missing from churches, when parents (Dads as well as mothers) are running around like headless chickens, keeping active, fulfilling themselves, giving their children what they consider to be "the best"? |
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| Mrs Jamie | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 13:27 Post #35 |
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This post intrigued me because when it comes to women it is very often men who designate themselves as the arbiters of "what the Lord wants them to do". Religion has been used shamelessly to subjugate women and to punish them if they step out of line. Women are grown-ups too, and quite as able as their menfolk to decide what to do with their own lives..... This reminded me of a conversation Jamie had with one of our sons a while back. I overheard them chatting about cars, and Jamie said: "Well I don't really use the car as often as I used to, so when your mum's car goes I don't think we'll bother replacing it as we don't really need two cars." I gently pointed out that I had bought my own car, I do enjoy using it, for work and pleasure, and that I will certainly be buying myself another one when necessary, so suggested as a counter proposal that if Jamie doesn't use his that often, perhaps we should think about not replacing HIS instead..... We will be continuing as a two car family..... |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 14:15 Post #36 |
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QV The Lord wants mothers to nurture their children. I take it he wants fathers to do likewise. How parents share the responsibilities depends upon their circumstances. Sometimes it is not a matter of choice. If women did not have opportunities to earn their own living there would be fewer divorces, and more women with black eyes, unable to see a way out of the situation. |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 14:17 Post #37 |
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Can anyone point us in the direction of Papal speeches in praise of working women? I am sure there have been some. |
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| Quicunque vult | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 15:54 Post #38 |
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Our Lady didn't defer to any man before giving her "yes" to God. In her humility, she achieved greatness, and is a wonderful role model for all of us, male and female. It was through the co-operation of the new Eve that humanity could once more look forward to the opportunity of salvation and a share in the divine life. Feminism has been a scourge of the 20th Century. Schooled in that truly terrible antithesis of Christianity, Marxism, it has torn women away from their primary and instinctual role, the care and nurture of children. There is nothing that any man (save the Lord Himself) has done that is more important than this. Fundamentally, it puts "me" before the calling of the Lord. The results are all around to see, if only secular society could take the scales from its eyes. Alienation, crime, abortion, divorce, one-parent families, hom osex uality, drug abuse, drunkenness, depression, psychological disorder etc etc etc. QV |
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| MickCook | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 17:17 Post #39 |
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Oh you think? Letter of John Paul II to women Address to the Conference on Women Commission on the Status of Women This is just a selection. Happy reading... |
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| Mrs Jamie | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 19:17 Post #40 |
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I wholly support the role women in nurturing their children. I breast fed all mine for months (too much information!) and was a full time mother for 12 years, then did a long period of part time work after that before returning full-time to the career I loved, had been trained for, and for which I have a God-given talent. I am only a "feminist" in so far that I fail to see why oppressing women and denying them the same opportunities as men, makes for a kinder, happier or more just society..... Living as I do in an all male household, I love my blokes - but I'm not some unpaid skivvy waiting on the whims of the master race. Nor do I see that women who make an informed choice about how they manage their family obligations and finances are responsible for the ills listed above.... "My mum went to work, that's why I'm hom osex ual" Pernicious nonsense. |
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| Mrs Jamie | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 19:19 Post #41 |
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Rose - what a very sensible woman you are......
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| MickCook | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 19:36 Post #42 |
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It is not, I feel, feminism to say that a woman doing the same work as a man should receive the same pay. It is simple justice. It is not feminism to support the role of women in the home, especially in their role as mothers. A real mother will be responsible for opening a child's mind and spirit to the wonders of God's creation through the quality of her love. Feminism can be an extreme - in a real way a denial of the true role of women for the sake of a lust for power or control. There is no room for love. Do women have a role in the Church? Yes, and it's always been there. The problem is that women with an agenda have not looked or they have ignored what is before them. Not only do we have a St. Francis of Assisi, we also have a St. Clare. And who was it who persuaded the Pope to return to Rome? Mother Theresa of Calcutta was given a State Funeral by India for a good reason: women in the Catholic Church can have a powerful influence because of their ability to love. Dedicated to my wife Karin. :D |
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| Quicunque vult | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 22:42 Post #43 |
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Mrs Jamie wrote:
That's not the argument! It's breaking the link between sex and procreation, an ardent feminist cause, from which all sorts of horrors have come. QV |
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| Clare | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 22:47 Post #44 |
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I agree with Quicunque Vult. And I think a lot of straw women have been erected on this thread too. For example:
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Since when have Catholics regarded "fewer divorces" as a bad thing?
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| Emee | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 23:21 Post #45 |
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House prices have a lot to do with female burn out... The exponential price increase in them in the last 30 years has forced a lot of women to work full time in careers that pay the bills rather than to go for a lower paid job with true job satisfaction. I would dearly love to work part-time and fulfill my ambition to become a published author the rest of the week, but my husband's salary goes on the mortgage and utility bills. I pay for all our food, clothes, shoes, various types of insurance and many household things. Our house is not a large house. It is a modest home with a postage stamp of a back garden. My parents were fortunate enough to buy their family home without ever needing a mortgage. They came from the Harold McMillan "you've never had it so good years". For ourselves it has been a constant struggle to make ends meet. My girls have not been indulged: they had dancing lessons and went to Girl Guides. One did a bit of gymnastics and swimming, the other played hockey for her school and did taekwondo. This sounds a lot but it has all been over a period of 19 and 16 years, and my girls were glad to have the opportunity to try those activities (which were paid for from my salary). However, they also played with their friends, had sleepovers and other simple methods of enjoyment - like going cycling etc. One daughter was ridiculed by a school mate on their post GCSE caravanning holiday because she and her friends wanted to play card games and board games instead of going clubbing and getting tattooes with another crowd!! (Yes really!!!) I DO get tired. Something has to give. For me I had to give up watching TV so I could get my housework done in the evening (my husband often works away during the week but does help when he can). Saturday is housework and shopping day. Sunday is strictly Church and family day - that enables me to survive and gives me strength for the rest of the week. I don't know where I would be without my faith and the Mass. I always slow down and feel so much better on a Sunday. However, I would still dearly love to work part-time, but unless I take my family to go to live in a tent or a cave, that's not going to happen in the foreseeable future... :( |
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