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| Topic Started: Monday, 10. September 2007, 12:51 (593 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Monday, 10. September 2007, 22:17 Post #16 |
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here's a link the the blog mentioned by Shell What Does the Prayer Really Say I particularly liked this bit ( Fr.Z's comments in italics)
Heretical Dominicans - now is that a paradox, oxymoron - or just plain moronic. KatyA |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 10. September 2007, 22:31 Post #17 |
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Twenty years ago, when we were first warned of the impending shortage of priests, I met a young man, a convert, who had been accepted as a seminarian on the first possible date. He told me he was astounded at the ease with which he was accepted, and that the general opinion amongst students and seminary staff was that so long as a man was a Catholic the bishops would snap his hands off. Any man would do. So, what is the result? Lower standards, with a loss of the esteem in which priests were traditionally held. A priest who is a good role model has a chance of sewing the seed of a vocation in young boys and men. A priest who is not totally dedicated, or who is obviously unhappy in the priesthood, will lose parishioners and attract few if any to the priesthood. The more the laity assume (often unlawfully) authority, the more the special nature of the ordained priesthood is diminished. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 10. September 2007, 22:59 Post #18 |
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Enough is enough! The distinction between the clergy and laity is becoming increasingly blurred. At least four bishops banned Services of Word and Holy Communion, in churches that have weekly Vigil or Sunday Mass. The cry went up "People are doing no harm, by praying" as if the Mass is no different from a prayer group meeting. Our bishop in encouraging his priests to revive the traditional devotions. I heard one Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion say to another "Have you heard we Special Ministers will be leading devotion soon? I must organise a rota so we can do something every evening." I commented the bishop had said devotions could be lay led, he had not specified any particular laity, and it was not necessary to be an EMHC to lead people in saying the Rosary or praying the Stations. I got a dirty look. :D |
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| maklavan | Tuesday, 11. September 2007, 12:59 Post #19 |
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"The distinction between the clergy and laity is becoming increasingly blurred." The distinction is only blurred if people are poorly educated in Church matters. I doubt if most people have a problem in distinguishing a clergyman from a layman. A priest is Ordained into a Sacramental ministry. He is anointed. His unique roles are sacramental, namely Celebrating the Eucharist, hearing Reconciliation, Anointing the sick Confirmation and, if a bishop, bestowing Holy Orders. These areas are clearly defined. Neither Deacons or lay persons can ever perform them So where is there any blurring possible? |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 11. September 2007, 13:58 Post #20 |
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1 In the minds of those who are suited by imagined blurring. 2 Dutch Dominicans. :D |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 11. September 2007, 14:10 Post #21 |
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Putting the "Fun Dame" into Fundamentalist
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S.A.G. Motes 'n' Beams blog Join in the Fun Trivia Quiz! | |
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| Derekap | Tuesday, 11. September 2007, 17:49 Post #22 |
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Briefly When I read the item I was very puzzled and gob-smacked. In case anyone might suspect I approve - I certainly disapprove. |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 11. September 2007, 20:27 Post #23 |
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Rose and Claire I shall get my own back, never fear! john |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 11. September 2007, 20:41 Post #24 |
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As you wish, John, but don't you dare play at being a priest in MY parish.
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| Deleted User | Wednesday, 12. September 2007, 09:04 Post #25 |
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Rose There is an assumption in your post that I am not already in Holy Orders. Regards John |
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| Colin2000 | Wednesday, 12. September 2007, 10:24 Post #26 |
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Holy Orders John, Now if you were in my lot it would be, "You are not obliged to say anything unless you wish to do so and anything you do say will be taken down in evidence and prayed over!" Yours in His Name, Colin. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 22. September 2007, 08:55 Post #27 |
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This is getting like Fawlty Towers. The Tablet has another article this week. LINK to Tablet Article 22 September 2007
All I can say is if they are so desperate for priests, surely the Dominican provincial in Holland could ask for unmarried men to come forward and offer their services as part time clergy. Train them to offer Mass. Ordain them. There is no shortage of laity who have delusions of grandeur and would postively enjoy playing at offering Mass, to enhance their positions. I am about to have a bad dream, about that woman who runs around our church checking we are all sitting the right way round, and forcing every booklet and circular letter into our hands, setting up house in the confessional.
Rubbish! The Second Vatican Council documents encourage active lay participation. At our local Health Centre there is patient participation. A group of patients give feedback to the practise, they arrange for volunteer drivers. They don't pretend to be doctors. |
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| PJD | Saturday, 22. September 2007, 13:13 Post #28 |
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Oh how careful we have to be nowadays when reading extracts e.g. laypersons - men and women - should be allowed to celebrate the Eucharist Doesn't say lay should consecrate does it? PJD |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 22. September 2007, 13:48 Post #29 |
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Tablet Article, 8 September
The day that happens in my local church, will be the last they see of me. As for using the early Church as its model, Christ spoke the words of consecration at the Last Supper. Christ and Christ alone, not Christ and the apostles speaking the words together. |
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| paul | Saturday, 22. September 2007, 18:05 Post #30 |
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I wonder what Christ would say to these mutterings. Are we talking trivia? Jesus would never castigate anyone who proclaimed the truth, only encourage and bless them. Think about it, get back to basics please. paul. |
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