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| Topic Started: Sunday, 9. September 2007, 01:24 (429 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 01:24 Post #1 |
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That is from this week's newsletter on the linked website. It is the first I have heard of a right to opt for receiving Sacraments and Requiem Masses in the pre-1970's Rite. Well kept secret? Link to a Leeds Diocese parish website |
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| Karin | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 03:36 Post #2 |
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I'm hoping this will bring new growth to the Church. Some of us oldsters prefer the old traditions and celebrations, but also like the Novus Ordo as well. I'll dust off my Liturgical Latin and see how well I do at the Cathedral here in La Crosse next week, when the Tridentine Mass is celebrated. I have my old St. Joseph's missal, circa 1957 with me - Latin on one side, English on the other. I'll see how well I do! |
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Karin Hvaljen Isus i Marija. Kraljica Mira, moli za nas. "Praised be Jesus and Mary. Queen of Peace, Pray for Us." | |
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| PJD | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 08:47 Post #3 |
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Rose: As usual I am being awkward but....e.g. "Basically, the People can ask for the Mass of Blessed John XXIII at any time" Is this one person or one hundred - note the people in cap t and p. I'm not happy with the inferences in the text you put on; but that's me. PJD |
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| Gerard | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 09:02 Post #4 |
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Reference please.... Gerry Edited to add that I flatly dont believe this. |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 09:19 Post #5 |
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Gerry the only reference I can give is the one in the opening post. That is the newsletter of a parish. As the paragraph quoted is not an official Diocesan announcement, I can only assume it was typed by the parish priest or a parishioner. I cannot say why "people" has a capital P. That parish is far from extremist in any direction. Tridentine Mass has been offered on Saturdays for about a year. There is no agenda, to sway the parish or parishioners towards any particular liturgies. They are given choice.
If it is not true, that makes the parish priest a liar or a fool. |
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| Clare | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 09:37 Post #6 |
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There was something on Fr Tim Finigan's blog a few weeks back where commenters were asking at what point you ask the priest for the "extraordinary" form of Confession. Do you ask when you enter the confessional, or after you say "Bless me Father etc", or after you've confessed your sins? Or does the priest offer the "extraordinary" form of Confession at set times? :blink: Clare. |
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| Deleted User | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 12:15 Post #7 |
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From the Motu Proprio
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| Gerard | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 12:23 Post #8 |
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KatA Thank you, and the quote you provide does contadict the statement in the parish news letter which Rose posted to start this thread. The pastor may grant the request but is not required to do so. Gerry |
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| PJD | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 12:30 Post #9 |
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Probably by a lay person Rose (smile) PJD |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 12:34 Post #10 |
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Probably, PJD, by a lay person with the approval of the pp. That is a very active parish,very busy with lots going on. I know it well and can assure you, the laity are very involved but not in charge. |
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| Deleted User | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 12:56 Post #11 |
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Taking a second look at the MP, there is another paragraph
http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/b16Su...mPontificum.htm This does seem to give the right to ask for celebration of the Sacraments in the Traditional Rite KatyA |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 14:02 Post #12 |
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Article 9 specifically mentions permission to use the earlier ritual for the administration of the Sacraments of Baptism, Marriage, Penance, and Confirmation.
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| Gerard | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 14:09 Post #13 |
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Of course people have the right to ask !
Thats not what the newsletter said. It said they have to be met. Sloppy language? Sophistry? Manipulation? A mistake? Rose, When you posted that did you think it meant they had only the right to ask or did you think it meant of they asked it had to be granted? Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 16:51 Post #14 |
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Gerry I think you are being pedantic, picking holes in an announcement made in good faith. I only made the posting to let the people to whom the old liturgies are important, know that at least one parish is giving them some consideration. For all I know the bishop might have given an instruction to his priests, that they must respect the wishes of parishioners who indicate they wish to make the choices mentioned in the bulletin. That is the website of the parish where my faith was nurtured in my childhood. I for one do not want my funeral to be dressed up as a celebration or commemoration of the Life of Rose. I am considering altering my will, to include my request that my mortal remains be taken back there, for a dignified Requiem. Prayers for the repose of my soul, not dishonest assurances I am in Heaven, are my idea of a Catholic funeral. There must be no eulogy, telling fibs about my virtuous life. My family and old school friends know too much to believe that. They can commend my soul to the mercy of God, bury me in a family grave that has room for one more, then have an enjoyable meal and drink together and have a laugh about some of the things I did in my youth. :D It will be just my luck if the parish priest and bishop move on before I make my departure from this earth. :D |
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| Clare | Sunday, 9. September 2007, 16:59 Post #15 |
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Are you suggesting that it is reasonable that the Pope inform his flock that they have a right to ask for something, and meanwhile allow that noone need supply what the faithful have a right to ask for?! What was it that Jesus said about fathers, bread, and stones? It may not be incumbent on each individual priest to meet these requests. But that they must be met by someone would seem to be a reasonable corollary to our right to request them. Clare. |
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