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New Rite Of Mass; just to mention
Topic Started: Tuesday, 7. August 2007, 23:04 (544 Views)
nelly k

Just thought I would mention the very lovely New Rite Vigil Mass we go to sometimes , beautifull Chaple, very good Parish even though we are not regulars at this Chaple always feel welcome.
My youngest asked me during the bidding Prayers why all the names of people , I explained that this was people of the Parish who were either ill or had passed away like her Granny and it was to ask us to pray for them, you could see on her face that she had understood and taken this in, it was just very reasuring, it is good to see her now starting to understand more about the diffrent aspects of the Mass.
nelly
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Derekap
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What a refreshing change, Nelly K, to read a compliment on The New Rite Holy Mass.

Personnally, the more I read attacks on it the more and more I appreciate it and look forward to participating in it. Also, apart from language, I find more and more similiarities, not differances, between the 1970 and 1960 usages of The Roman Rite.
Derekap
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Gerard

Hear, hear!

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Emee
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Nelly that is beautiful. Thanks for sharing that with us.
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nelly k

Its all the talk that things are all bad and all wrong...
The next thing will possibly be the oppertunity to talk about Purgutory, there is a waiting place not everyone goes straight to Heaven, and we should pray for their souls that they get there. Its a learning process, so for me these Bidding prayers are a great tool to help us learn and understand more about our faith and our practices such as The Fridays , funny how your given things ie the Fridays and then your able to understand better and then explian... remarkable
nelly
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PJD


Yes speaking about the New Rite - or as it is call now the ordinary rite - I was reading through the closing speech on Vatican II. From what I gathered many things and attitudes prior to that Council was certainly not considered in good shape. At least the way I read it in respect of the Council's objectives.

Started to do a precis to illustrate the point; but starting is as far as I got.

Not everything on the other side of the old fence was rosy!

PJD
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Pope Benedict would seem to agree. Try this link - you need to scroll down to
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"We had such great hopes, but things proved to be more difficult..."

Chiesa Article
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PJD

Well I've saved in on file and will read later.

The link worked very well Katy

PJD
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Emee
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Aug 9 2007, 08:17 PM
Yes speaking about the New Rite - or as it is call now the ordinary rite - I was reading through the closing speech on Vatican II. From what I gathered many things and attitudes prior to that Council was certainly not considered in good shape. At least the way I read it in respect of the Council's objectives.

Started to do a precis to illustrate the point; but starting is as far as I got.

Not everything on the other side of the old fence was rosy!

PJD

PJD I wish you would tell that to the other crowd...
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nelly k

Another lovely New Right Mass tonight, the Hyms in particular, the words are all reminders of the gifts of the Eucharist, just lovely.
nelly.
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PJD

Emee

Sorry I was a bit replying to your post. Regarding the closing speech of Vatican II – it is really quite short; but brutally direct in some of its comments on the objectives of the Council. Here are a few extracts:-

“Renewal of thoughts, activities, conduct, moral force and hope and joy which was the very scope of the council” [harsh words if you were to transpose them into their negatives.]

“Do not crucify Him anew. This would be a sacrilege for He is the Son of God.” [addressed to Governments]

“In the past, regrettable misunderstanding have, over too long a period, maintained a spirit of mistrust and lack of understanding between us, and both the Church and the working class have suffered from this. Today the hour for reconciliation has sounded…..that you will not be tempted, as were some of your elders, to yield to the seductions or hedonistic philosophies or to those of despair and annihilation…..and build in enthusiasm a better world than your elders had.” [addressed to the laity]

“The Second Vatican Ecumenical Council….must be numbered without doubt among the greatest events of the Church. It was the most opportune, bearing in mind the necessities of the present day.” We decided moreover that all that has been established synodally is to be religiously observed by all the faithful….all efforts contrary to these things by whomever or whatever authority, knowingly or in ignorance be invalid and worthless from now on.” [affirmation of Church discipline in respect of the Council]

However Emee I believe it is not easy to tell the other crowd. For in my opinion we have to take into consideration the changes in culture that have occurred between the periods prior and post the Council together with what is current now. Additionally there is the question of who were the authors of change, what was done in isolation from the general working public, and who or what were directing them That is just one aspect; and it is confined entirely to the secular state.

Then you have the matter of religion – Catholicism in particular – and the changes that have occurred over the same three periods. This consideration is further complicated by having to separate that which relates to the ‘intellectual’ and that pertaining to the ‘sensual’; not only because it would be good practice to do so, but also inasmuch as intellectual offences are much more serious than those of the passions.

Is this enough to go on? And even then if I'm on the right lines[laugh]

PJD
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Emee
Aug 9 2007, 09:01 PM
PJD
Aug 9 2007, 08:17 PM
Yes speaking about the New Rite - or as it is call now the ordinary rite - I was reading through the closing speech on Vatican II. From what I gathered many things and attitudes prior to that Council was certainly not considered in good shape. At least the way I read it in respect of the Council's objectives.

Started to do a precis to illustrate the point; but starting is as far as I got.

Not everything on the other side of the old fence was rosy!

PJD

PJD I wish you would tell that to the other crowd...

No need. It's a straw man which has been knocked down, often enough!

Clare.
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PJD

Justs trying to be helpful Clare; as you do in your own way.

Sometimes think I don't try hard enough.

Excuse - busy

God Bless
PJD
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nelly k

PJD, Some of that I didnt understand, the two bits that caught me were the comments about "hedonisim" and "annihilation" and for me this is about the 2 political ideologies that can lead to the division of humanity... "rampant" capitalism/secular society on the one and communism on the other, both of them at that time were causing division ie the cold war and explotation was on the rise the horrors of the second world war were over, we no longer had very clear cut hardships no longer pulling together.

I am glad that our Catholic faith traditions and customs have stayed, historically it could be said that we have seen worse times, I do believe that V2 was correct and the way the Church took on these new and changes events and challenges was with the Blessings of God... of course we continue to have problems as we certainly did throughout time gone by,

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So far, this discussion has been mainly appreciative of The Church since Vatican 2. Let it not degenerate into a slanging match between mods and trads.
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