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Copyright Laws
Topic Started: Tuesday, 17. July 2007, 12:09 (624 Views)
Eve
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For the time being will members referring to media reports and articles please:

Give a url link

Add some comment if you wish, stating the source. Give your observations if you wish.

Please do not quote the article on the forum. It may be a breach of copyright laws. Many members including moderators have done this inadvertently.

One of the moderators is able to obtain advice from a person in a position to advise on this. We want to remain in the law and at the same time be fair to members.

The admins do have permission from some publications, mainly Catholic for material to be quoted under certain conditions.
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Eve
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So far as we know it is all right to quote a small part of an article. We are waiting for guidance from someone able to give it.
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Eve
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Briefly advice received about copyright law is:

One is always allowed to quote from an article for purposes of discussion, for example, with acknowledgement of where the quote came from. Copying of a whole article without permission is not acceptable.

The advice received was quite long. I need time to study it.
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PJD

I have always seen this as a problem.

The alternative of course is to produce your own article; but then forum members might be forgiven in accusing you of pinching (or copying) the ideas of others.

The Catholic papers are to be commended in this respect I believe i.e. being lenient. After all who would want to copyright a spiritual article?

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Rose of York
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PJD
Jul 17 2007, 06:42 PM
The Catholic papers are to be commended in this respect I believe i.e. being lenient. After all who would want to copyright a spiritual article?

PJD

PJD one Catholic paper does not allow reproduction, on discussion forums, of its content. I asked permission thinking it would boost circulation. It was refused on the grounds that an article written by a freelance belongs to the writer, therefore the paper cannot give permission.
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Jamie

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Jul 17 2007, 05:42 PM
I have always seen this as a problem.

The alternative of course is to produce your own article; but then forum members might be forgiven in accusing you of pinching (or copying) the ideas of others.

The Catholic papers are to be commended in this respect I believe i.e. being lenient. After all who would want to copyright a spiritual article?

PJD

Probably the author - even Catholic reporters have mortgages to pay......or did you imagine The Universe, The Catholic Herald, The Tablet or even The Jewish Chronicle and The Church of England Times are all staffed by people who live on air?
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Rose of York
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Advice about Copyright
 



Generally anything on the internet or indeed anywhere else is copyrighted unless specifically stated otherwise as in a "free' site like Wikipedia for example.
Newspapers and magazines have slightly different rules for staffers and freelance contributions - staffers in effect give over their copyright to the newspaper for which they work in exchange for their weekly stipend - while still retaining the moral right to be acknowledged as the authors of their own work.
Freelances usually give only "First British Serial Rights" - in other words they grant the newspaper the right to have first dibs at their work while retaining the right to sell it elsewhere if they can - in a foreign newspaper or to another form of media. So if you wanted to quote from a freelance contributor to a paper you would have to ask permission from the journalist themselves rather than the editor.
Because if a freelance  sells something to a newspaper, for example,  they could expect a second fee if it pops up on the website or is syndicated by that newpaper elsewhere.
The internet has caused all sorts of problems with copyright. One is always allowed to quote from an article for purposes of discussion, for example, with acknowledgement of where the quote came from. You are on much stickier ground quoting a whole article without permission.
Strictly speaking all articles reproduced in full should have the permission of the author or publisher
- in practice of course they have to catch you first, and as there is no question of money being made by the Catholic Forum then there is unlikely to be any legal recourse although they are perfectly within their rights to tell you to stop.
So - strictly speaking it is wrong, but first they have to catch you and we all do it.
Also copyright exists in the words not in the facts - so I might be the first person to discover that the Prince of Wales had a love child by Britney Spears, but I can't copyright the information - only the form of words in which I choose to announce it to the world.
And let's face it most journalists now spend their lives trawling the net for information which has been gathered by someone else.
Like they always say - copy from one person it is plagiarism, copy from several it is research.
SO - to be absolutely correct people should summarise an article in their own words and provide a link to the original.....or ask permission of the editor to quote the piece in full with acknowledgements.




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Whole articles are quoted on most forums.

And some blogs!

:unsure:

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Clare
Jul 17 2007, 10:35 PM
Whole articles are quoted on most forums.

And some blogs!

:unsure:

Clare.

So? One cannot justify unlawful activity by saying it happens elsewhere. I have written articles, that have been published. They were submitted for no fee. The copyright on them is mine. I would be very annoyed if I saw them quoted in total on any forum, because I might wish to charge for their publication.
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PJD
Jul 17 2007, 06:42 PM
After all who would want to copyright a spiritual article?

PJD

I would if I wrote it for my living. We all have to eat and pay our bills. Religious and clergy write books and articles that are copyright. It is automatic, the writer does not need to do anything to copyright the article or book.

The copyright on the contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls is out of date.
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The copyright on the contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls is out of date



True, but according to my friend who works for a publisher of religious books, most translations are copyrighted to a publisher and require permission to use.
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Jamie

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Jul 17 2007, 09:35 PM
Whole articles are quoted on most forums.

And some blogs!

:unsure:

Clare.

Clare - I am shocked! Most unlike you even to hint that illegal behaviour may be okay just because "most people do it......"
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Jamie
Jul 18 2007, 08:34 AM
Clare
Jul 17 2007, 09:35 PM
Whole articles are quoted on most forums.

And some blogs!

:unsure:

Clare.

Clare - I am shocked! Most unlike you even to hint that illegal behaviour may be okay just because "most people do it......"

I was expecting that!

But even so!

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It just seems to me, that if a writer doesn't want his articles copied, he should make them accessible to subscribers only!

Otherwise, they're available for free on the internet if they're not subscriber-only. So what does anyone lose by having an article copied? I agree, there should be a link to the original site.

I just can't see what the fuss is about when someone writes an article, and makes it available free online, so what if it's copied to a forum? It's free anyway!

I would not copy an entire paying subscribers-only article.

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Jul 18 2007, 09:32 AM

I would not copy an entire paying subscribers-only article.

Clare.

Subscribers-only or not, people invest their time and or money in a publication, which they put on a website. Quoting a small snippet, making a comment, and giving the link, leads people to the whole site.

It is not for any individual to decide the circumstances in which they will obey the law. So, subscriber only or not, whole articles should not be pasted onto other sites without permission.

I see the sense in this. Take for example The Universe. If I see a Universe article on here, what inducement is there for me to see the website? If I have to see it to read the article, I might think "this is a good paper, I shall order a weekly copy."

Originators of free sites want their work to be seen, in their entirety, so lets play fair, quote a snippet and give the url link.
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