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Catholic Evangelisation; No good news to offer !
Topic Started: Monday, 21. May 2007, 23:58 (825 Views)
Timothy
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No. That's why I put the word in inverted commas!


And so you did! :D
"An adult faith does not follow the waves of fashion and the latest novelty."
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Rose of York
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May 23 2007, 11:43 PM
Clare
May 23 2007, 10:33 PM
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May 23 2007, 11:16 PM
I think I have already stated clearly we must not give ourselves or any other human beings as good examples but preach only Christ and Him crucified-jimc1

We aren't meant to hide our lights under bushels either.

Faith without works is dead.

Clare.



We must be lit by Christ"s light not our own-jimc

jimc1 you preach a strange sort of Gospel

New American Bible
Matthew 5, 16:20
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You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.
15
Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house.
16
Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father.


Jesus told us OUR light must shine so that others may see OUR good deeds.
Keep the Faith!

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Rose of York
May 23 2007, 11:00 PM
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May 23 2007, 11:43 PM
Clare
May 23 2007, 10:33 PM
jimc1
May 23 2007, 11:16 PM
I think I have already stated clearly we must not give ourselves or any other human beings as good examples but preach only Christ and Him crucified-jimc1

We aren't meant to hide our lights under bushels either.

Faith without works is dead.

Clare.



We must be lit by Christ"s light not our own-jimc

jimc1 you preach a strange sort of Gospel

New American Bible
Matthew 5, 16:20
14
You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.
15
Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house.
16
Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father.


Jesus told us OUR light must shine so that others may see OUR good deeds.


Yes but your light must be lit by Chrisr-jimc
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jimc1
May 24 2007, 12:53 AM
Yes but your light must be lit by Chrisr-jimc

True. Without faith it's impossible to please God.

Clare.
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jimc1
May 23 2007, 11:16 PM
I think I have already stated clearly we must not give ourselves or any other human beings as good examples but preach only Christ and Him crucified-jimc1

We aren't meant to hide our lights under bushels either.

Faith without works is dead.

Clare.



We must be lit by Christ"s light not our own-jimc

jimc1 you preach a strange sort of Gospel

New American Bible
Matthew 5, 16:20
14
You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.
15
Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house.
16
Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father.


Jesus told us OUR light must shine so that others may see OUR good deeds.


Yes but your light must be lit by Chrisr-jimc


I can hardly accept that Jesus could be that mixed up or mistaken to think I am the light of the world when He said hE was-being in His company I think His light had rubbed off on to His disciples to whom these words were addressed-even this forum knows I am not the light of the world judging from some of their replies to my topics etc-jimc
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Some amateur exegesis, Clare-style!

In the Sermon on the Mount, Our Lord says:

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14 You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house.

16 So let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.


He also said:
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1 Take heed that you do not your justice before men, to be seen by them: otherwise you shall not have a reward of your Father who is in heaven. 2 Therefore when thou dost an almsdeed, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be honoured by men. Amen I say to you, they have received their reward. 3 But when thou dost alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth. 4 That thy alms may be in secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee. 5 And when ye pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, that love to stand and pray in the synagogues and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward.


Emphases on the "you"s in the first and the "thou"s in the second.

"You" is plural. So, I take the first part to mean that one's good works should reflect well on the Church.

"Thou" is singular. So I take the second part to mean that one's good works are not meant to make oneself look good!

That's just my take on it.

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Some amateur exegesis, Clare-style!

In the Sermon on the Mount, Our Lord says:

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14 You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house.

16 So let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.


He also said:
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1 Take heed that you do not your justice before men, to be seen by them: otherwise you shall not have a reward of your Father who is in heaven. 2 Therefore when thou dost an almsdeed, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be honoured by men. Amen I say to you, they have received their reward. 3 But when thou dost alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth. 4 That thy alms may be in secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee. 5 And when ye pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, that love to stand and pray in the synagogues and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward.


Emphases on the "you"s in the first and the "thou"s in the second.

"You" is plural. So, I take the first part to mean that one's good works should reflect well on the Church.

"Thou" is singular. So I take the second part to mean that one's good works are not meant to make oneself look good!

That's just my take on it.

Clare.


Clare....Ithink the you here means The Church,which then consisted of just His disciples who were being spoken to-jimc
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May 23 2007, 10:16 PM
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May 23 2007, 09:14 PM
Anyone fortunate to go to Heaven is a Saint despite their denomination or status on earth.  There will be no denomination in Heaven - not even Catholic - there wont be any need!


There many ways  of evangilisation: personal example, preaching, writing books, writing articles or letters to the media, appearing on the media if one has the chance



I think I have already stated clearly we must not give ourselves or any other human beings as good examples but preach only Christ and Him crucified-jimc1

I was in a certain town the other day and I saw this chap standing on a street corner with a bible and he preaching Christ crucified and dying for the sins of all men. I don't know whether he was inspired or not as he looked very embarrassed but was getting on with it., Trouble was - nobody was taking a blind bit of notice of the poor chap and after a while he packed up and went.

Jimc can you please enlighten me as to how one should go about preaching christ crucified presupposing you are filled with the holy spirit.

Is standing on street corners, no matter how inspired you are or self depreciating,
and preaching christ crucified the answer ?.

If not, how should we go about it.?

what happens when you allow the spirit to work through you personally, how is it
revealed through you Jimc.
What would you recommend from your experience that would be of practical help ?
I must confess I can't see myself on a street corner - I am not that "enlightened" or "set on fire".

Don't know if you have done it or not ?
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A crucifix prominently displayed in the home is an excellent opening for evangelisation. Visitors ask "Are you Catholic?" You say "Yes" and the questions flow. Another is a statue of Our Blessed Lady.

I visitor to our house said "You don't want THAT on the wall. People might think you're a Catholic." My reply was "I am". That led to quite a chat. She learnt that even people like me, apparently normal, able to go out and enjoy myself, mixing with a variety of people, are happy to be Catholics and proud of our Church. She wanted to answers to the old chestnuts, why we think we are better than other people, why beaten wives are not allowed to leave their husbands, why we have to produce huge families, why we "worship Mary", why we have "false images" and "worship statues", why Catholic priests drink alcohol. I managed to debunk a lot of false rumours, tell her about the positive aspects of Catholicism and why we believe our Church is the one and only one founded by Jesus.
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A crucifix prominently displayed in the home is an excellent opening for evangelisation. Visitors ask "Are you Catholic?" You say "Yes" and the questions flow. Another is a statue of Our Blessed Lady.

I visitor to our house said "You don't want THAT on the wall. People might think you're a Catholic." My reply was "I am". That led to quite a chat. She learnt that even people like me, apparently normal, able to go out and enjoy myself, mixing with a variety of people, are happy to be Catholics and proud of our Church. She wanted to answers to the old chestnuts, why we think we are better than other people, why beaten wives are not allowed to leave their husbands, why we have to produce huge families, why we "worship Mary", why we have "false images" and "worship statues", why Catholic priests drink alcohol. I managed to debunk a lot of false rumours, tell her about the positive aspects of Catholicism and why we believe our Church is the one and only one founded by Jesus.


That is a very interesting story Rose, I do agree with your suggestions on evangelization, and I do believe that it is a very appropriate and non-confrontational way of evangelising.

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"Why Catholic priests drink alcohol?"


Some cheek! :P

What was your answer to that one? Their human?
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May 27 2007, 11:41 PM


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"Why Catholic priests drink alcohol?"


Some cheek! :P

What was your answer to that one? Their human?

My answer is "So did Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church has no problem with any person drinking alcohol in moderation."
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Rose: Whilst searching with regard to the Scottish question I found this by Newman, which I could not resist copying on here. You will understand how it relates to your reference to old chestnuts put to us by non-Catholics.

“What our Protestant accuser asserted was, that every twentieth man was a Jesuit, and most nunneries were prisons. How is this refuted by clearing this or that person or nunnery of the charge? Thus, if the accuser is not to be called on to give proofs of what he says, we are simply helpless, and must sit down meekly under the imputation.”

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Catholic priests drink alcohol.


I suppose that Protestant ministers don't.

Must tell my brother-in-law that one - he's a protestant minister - next time we have a beer!

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