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| Catholic Evangelisation; No good news to offer ! | |
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| Topic Started: Monday, 21. May 2007, 23:58 (824 Views) | |
| jimc1 | Monday, 21. May 2007, 23:58 Post #1 |
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Could it be that because they have no good news to offer so Catholics unlike Jehovah"s witnesses and others do not take or share this good news with others-Catholicism among many is regarded as a religion of fear and doom and gloom and supression rather than love and mercy and freedom as some say this does not show in their speech or their faces-so could this be why not showing our faces or showing our faces prevents Catholic evangelisation-for every one convert two regulars fall away-this is not good news because the good news has not been The Fantastic Good News it should have been-jimc |
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| Timothy | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 00:10 Post #2 |
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I dislike the emphasis on numbers of followers. While the aim of Christians is to spread the Good News and to save people, it seems modernity has attempted to challenge Catholicism with an ultimatum, "modernise" (ie. abandon many key doctrines) or end up having no followers. The fact is this is not true, people are not attracted to an organisation which abandons its core beliefs in the pursuit of popularity. Catholicism does offer "Fantastic Good News" as you want to see, we offer Salvation. Sadly however perhaps that is just not enough for some. |
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"An adult faith does not follow the waves of fashion and the latest novelty." "Having a clear faith, according to the credo of the church, is often labelled as fundamentalism." Pope Benedict XVI | |
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| Josephine | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 13:54 Post #3 |
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Preaching isn't the only way to make converts. There is such a thing as good example, ie the way you live your life. (It is surprising how much people notice.) By their fruits ye shall know them. Josephine |
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| jimc1 | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 17:47 Post #4 |
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okay Timothy as a prime representative of Catholicism tell me and others here what is the Fantastic Good News-whatever you do do not tell us some fantastic bad news and say it is Fantastic Good News-remember not having heard the fantastic good news all on this forum will be agog and listening and ready to accept-this is evangelisation which like charity begins at home-jimc |
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| Eve | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 17:56 Post #5 |
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jimc1 please stop insulting the members of this forum. If they did not grasp The Good News they would not be Catholics. Eve Adminstrator |
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| jimc1 | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 18:00 Post #6 |
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Oh Josephine preaching Christ should be the only way to make converts-he is the best example we can offer-we neither are or can be good examples or good fruit so the Church points to our saints and martyrs as her good examples and good fruit but the early martyrs were Christians and the saints are Catholics as if there are no Protestant saints-jimc1 |
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| jimc1 | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 19:10 Post #7 |
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Beg your pardon and sorry that there is a misunderstanding but I said nothing about the "Good News"- I am on abouit the "Fantastic Good News" which I am trying to spread but it seems no one wants to hear but I keep trying just in case someone does for it seems once one has heard the Fantastic Good News one wants to share it with all and everyone-jimc |
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| PJD | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 19:59 Post #8 |
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Jim1: I think you are not thinking logically. Josephine is right – good example is one of the better ways of making converts – in fact it amounts to preaching. This is a most effective way, that through hope, our good example we ‘preach Christ’ as you say and that becomes the hidden source of conversions. The saints and martyrs are as you say the Church’s good examples; and that included very good teaching on how not to behave (they fell themselves and described it), how to recognise and avoid falling into the temptations and traps laid by the devil (they described these also), and many other spiritual things. As for Protestants, there are among them umpteen saints, but they cannot be formally recognised as such by the Church for (I presume) canonical reasons. Nevertheless no one would deny that many of them, certainly those known as the Anglican divines, were of the most holy historical stock. Everything the Church teaches is fantastic good news. I don’t know what you mean by fantastic bad news; unless you are referring to the possibility of damnation (doom and gloom) – but then as Timothy said we offer Salvation (love, mercy and freedom). I think your maths needs revision jim (1 presupposes a 0 - laugh). PJD [jim - having got on here, having read your addresss to Eve, then perhaps your maths may be okay after all (smile)] |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 20:32 Post #9 |
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The Catholic Church does not canonise protestants, because the descendants might not want that. Surprised, eh? |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 20:34 Post #10 |
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The early martyrs were Catholics, and there are no Protestant saints. Clare. |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 20:36 Post #11 |
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Is that really the reason why the Church does not canonise Protestants, Rose? Substantiate! :rolleyes: Clare. |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 20:41 Post #12 |
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Not canonical reasons, PJD. Doctrinal reasons! Outside the Church there is no salvation. Clare. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 20:57 Post #13 |
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I cannot. Sorry Clare, I do not keep records of everything I read. That was in a Catholic newspaper years ago. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 21:01 Post #14 |
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Hopefully, I will find millions and millions of former protestants in Heaven, if and when I get there. A loving God would not reject people, solely on the basis they were unaware that the Catholic Church is the One True Church. Now, Clare, ask me if I claim to know the mind of God. No, I do not. I have expressed my opinion. For all we know, protestants might be given an option, after death, to acknowledge The Church. |
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| Timothy | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 21:10 Post #15 |
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Firstly it may come as a shock, but I am not the prime representative of Catholicism, the closest to that would be His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI.
What I said was;
Salvation is "Fantastic Good News" and I can't see how you could suggest otherwise. |
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