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First Holy Communions; Differences in celebrations
Topic Started: Tuesday, 20. March 2007, 22:07 (2,226 Views)
Alan
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Gerard
Apr 18 2007, 03:52 PM
Rose,

Alan came close - but I will let him clarify.

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Gerry

Gerard,

You appear to be misreading my post.

I cannot see where I implied it.

God Bless all who visit this forum,

Alan.

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nelly k

Well, Clare I think in your day and mine 71/72ish, was better, now I sound like you :lol:

It is just to long, I think? but in the end it is really our job as Parents to keep at it...nelly
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Clare
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Gerard
Apr 18 2007, 09:40 AM
My son received his first holy communion a year before his first reconciliation. I think this sends out the correct message - that 7 year olds do not commit mortal sins.

Do 8 year olds, then?

Clare.
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nelly k

Decon Robert , re your post... I didn`t really know this as such, it was all a bit muddeled, I knew the seven but did not understand the headings, so its just goes to show there are always some like myself who need a hand, without feeling stupid, nelly
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Clare
Apr 19 2007, 09:49 PM
Gerard
Apr 18 2007, 09:40 AM
My son received his first holy communion a year before his first reconciliation. I think this sends out the correct message - that 7 year olds do not commit mortal sins.

Do 8 year olds, then?

Clare.

Good point, Clare.

Seven year olds are not bright enough to be great composers, but there are exceptions to the rule. We read about eight and nine year olds getting University degrees. It is not for any of us to judge whether it is possible for one or two seven year olds to fully understand the concept of knowingly and willingly flouting the Will of God. Confessors are the people trained in that sort of thing. Mind you, the thought of a seven year old comitting mortal sin is mind boggling.
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Joseph

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Decon Robert , re your post... I didn`t really know this as such, it was all a bit muddeled, I knew the seven but did not understand the headings, so its just goes to show there are always some like myself who need a hand, without feeling stupid, nelly

You are not alone in that Nelly - I couldn't follow them either.

Maybe Deacon Robert could expand on them a little?

Eg, what is 'service'?
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Clare
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Joseph
Apr 19 2007, 10:19 PM
what is 'service'?

Just guessing, but Deacon Robert listed Marriage and Holy Orders under the heading "service". I imagine this refers to the fact that both those sacraments are "vocational", one way or another!

While I think of it, Nelly, if it's relevant, don't forget the sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, and Holy Orders leave an indelible "character" on the soul of the recipient for eternity!

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Joseph

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Apr 19 2007, 05:59 PM
Deacon Robert - thanks for that information; I didn't know that in the States first confession could follow first communion. Quite right I believe that that procedure has been reversed.

Over here, as far as I know, first confession has always preceded first communion; at least right through the last century up until now. It seems to me to be a logical progression.

PJD

If my memory serves me well, I believe Archbishop Patrick Kelly, when Bishop of Salford, (controversally) introduced First Communion before First Confession in that diocese - and as far as I know that order is still followed there today.

Interestingly he has never introduced it in the Liverpool Archdiocese since his promotion.
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I guess I was not as clear as I hoped. The Sacraments of initiation are those that bring us into the family of God or strengthen us on our path to holiness. The Sacraments of healing are meant to heal both spiritualy and physically. Finally the Sacraments of service are vocational. In both marriage and Holy orders the main purpose is to serve others and help them become what God intended them to be.
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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nelly k

Clare I liked what you said about character, can you explian it a bit more,
Deacon Robert, many thanks once agian, nelly
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Rose of York
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Nelly, Clare logged off a while ago, it may be you would like an answer now. Here is mine:

A character is an indelible mark on the soul:

Once baptised, you are baptised for ever. Nobody can put original sin back into your soul.

Once a priest, always a priest. Whatever a priest does in his life, or whatever others do to him, he will be a priest until the day he dies. It may be that some lose the authorisation to minister, or get permission to leave active ministry and live as laymen, but they will always be priests, and can minister in life threatening situations.

At confirmation, a person receives The Holy Spirit. He will never leave that person.
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nelly k

Rose most of that makes sense and is reasuring , makes me feel proud and fortunate , and I hope that these things always stay with my Children , however much they may falter

The Holy Orders and being a Priest forever I dont get... nelly
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Nelly, once a man is a priest he is able to offer bread and wine, say the words of consecration, and the elements become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. A priest has to come under somebody, usually a bishop, who gives him authority to offer Mass, hear confessions and preach. Having the ability, and authority, are different. A doctor, once qualified, will always be a doctor, but there may be times when he is not actually practising and may even be forbidden to practise. A driver will always be a driver, but he can lose his license. So can priests.

Christ empowers a man at ordination. He is made a priest for ever. Even the priest who leaves to marry, if he comes across an accident, a person is dying and no priest is available, may give absolution.
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nelly k

Rose I now understand that but What if they , the Priest, is a realy bad person and has never repented. Just find it a bit difficult but the analogy does make sense... nelly
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Nelly if a husband or wife is a really bad person, and has never repented, that does not make them single.

NOTHING takes away the "character" of priesthood. Mind you, it lays heavy responsibilties on a man's shoulders.

I think we had better get back to the subject of First Holy Communions!
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