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| First Holy Communions; Differences in celebrations | |
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| Topic Started: Tuesday, 20. March 2007, 22:07 (2,226 Views) | |
| Alan | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 21:24 Post #46 |
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Gerard, You appear to be misreading my post. I cannot see where I implied it. |
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| nelly k | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 21:46 Post #47 |
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Well, Clare I think in your day and mine 71/72ish, was better, now I sound like you It is just to long, I think? but in the end it is really our job as Parents to keep at it...nelly |
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| Clare | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 21:49 Post #48 |
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Do 8 year olds, then? Clare. |
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| nelly k | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 21:55 Post #49 |
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Decon Robert , re your post... I didn`t really know this as such, it was all a bit muddeled, I knew the seven but did not understand the headings, so its just goes to show there are always some like myself who need a hand, without feeling stupid, nelly |
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| Rose of York | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 22:18 Post #50 |
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Good point, Clare. Seven year olds are not bright enough to be great composers, but there are exceptions to the rule. We read about eight and nine year olds getting University degrees. It is not for any of us to judge whether it is possible for one or two seven year olds to fully understand the concept of knowingly and willingly flouting the Will of God. Confessors are the people trained in that sort of thing. Mind you, the thought of a seven year old comitting mortal sin is mind boggling. |
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| Joseph | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 22:19 Post #51 |
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You are not alone in that Nelly - I couldn't follow them either. Maybe Deacon Robert could expand on them a little? Eg, what is 'service'? |
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| Clare | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 22:24 Post #52 |
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Just guessing, but Deacon Robert listed Marriage and Holy Orders under the heading "service". I imagine this refers to the fact that both those sacraments are "vocational", one way or another! While I think of it, Nelly, if it's relevant, don't forget the sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, and Holy Orders leave an indelible "character" on the soul of the recipient for eternity! Clare. |
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| Joseph | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 22:28 Post #53 |
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If my memory serves me well, I believe Archbishop Patrick Kelly, when Bishop of Salford, (controversally) introduced First Communion before First Confession in that diocese - and as far as I know that order is still followed there today. Interestingly he has never introduced it in the Liverpool Archdiocese since his promotion. |
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| Deacon Robert | Friday, 20. April 2007, 13:18 Post #54 |
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I guess I was not as clear as I hoped. The Sacraments of initiation are those that bring us into the family of God or strengthen us on our path to holiness. The Sacraments of healing are meant to heal both spiritualy and physically. Finally the Sacraments of service are vocational. In both marriage and Holy orders the main purpose is to serve others and help them become what God intended them to be. |
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| nelly k | Friday, 20. April 2007, 21:54 Post #55 |
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Clare I liked what you said about character, can you explian it a bit more, Deacon Robert, many thanks once agian, nelly |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 20. April 2007, 22:00 Post #56 |
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Nelly, Clare logged off a while ago, it may be you would like an answer now. Here is mine: A character is an indelible mark on the soul: Once baptised, you are baptised for ever. Nobody can put original sin back into your soul. Once a priest, always a priest. Whatever a priest does in his life, or whatever others do to him, he will be a priest until the day he dies. It may be that some lose the authorisation to minister, or get permission to leave active ministry and live as laymen, but they will always be priests, and can minister in life threatening situations. At confirmation, a person receives The Holy Spirit. He will never leave that person. |
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| nelly k | Friday, 20. April 2007, 22:11 Post #57 |
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Rose most of that makes sense and is reasuring , makes me feel proud and fortunate , and I hope that these things always stay with my Children , however much they may falter The Holy Orders and being a Priest forever I dont get... nelly |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 20. April 2007, 22:22 Post #58 |
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Nelly, once a man is a priest he is able to offer bread and wine, say the words of consecration, and the elements become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. A priest has to come under somebody, usually a bishop, who gives him authority to offer Mass, hear confessions and preach. Having the ability, and authority, are different. A doctor, once qualified, will always be a doctor, but there may be times when he is not actually practising and may even be forbidden to practise. A driver will always be a driver, but he can lose his license. So can priests. Christ empowers a man at ordination. He is made a priest for ever. Even the priest who leaves to marry, if he comes across an accident, a person is dying and no priest is available, may give absolution. |
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| nelly k | Friday, 20. April 2007, 22:32 Post #59 |
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Rose I now understand that but What if they , the Priest, is a realy bad person and has never repented. Just find it a bit difficult but the analogy does make sense... nelly |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 20. April 2007, 22:38 Post #60 |
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Nelly if a husband or wife is a really bad person, and has never repented, that does not make them single. NOTHING takes away the "character" of priesthood. Mind you, it lays heavy responsibilties on a man's shoulders. I think we had better get back to the subject of First Holy Communions! |
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