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| First Holy Communions; Differences in celebrations | |
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| Topic Started: Tuesday, 20. March 2007, 22:07 (2,227 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Wednesday, 18. April 2007, 14:03 Post #31 |
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Many adult converts are not baptised immediately prior to reception into the Catholic Church, because they have already been baptised.
Seven year olds who have reached the age of reason are able to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong, therefore are capable of sin. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is not reserved to those who have comitted mortal sins. Ten year olds have committed murder. Seven is a good age for the child to learn about conscience and forgiveness. |
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| Gerard | Wednesday, 18. April 2007, 15:30 Post #32 |
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But neither is it a requirement prior to communion for those not in mortal sin. Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 18. April 2007, 15:47 Post #33 |
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Who said it is? |
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| Gerard | Wednesday, 18. April 2007, 16:52 Post #34 |
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Rose, Alan came close - but I will let him clarify. Also its so easy to fall into that mindset such that people fear to go to communion. I believe this was a real problem in the past. One which many popes tried to work to overcome. It was only when one of them introduced chilhood communion that it started to turn the corner and people grew up being used to receiving communion frequently. Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 18. April 2007, 17:49 Post #35 |
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Gerard, this is what Alan wrote.
That is the usual procedure when children make their First Holy Communion. Pope Pius X encourged frequent Holy Communion, and reception of Holy Communion by children. If we allow children to receive Holy Communion frequently for as long as they wish, without ever receiving the Sacrament of Reconciliation, it could be an ingrained habit by the time they do commit serious sin. Indeed, they could forget the importance of Confession and sacramental absolution. Though there are no changes in doctrine, practises do change. Currently, catechists prepare children for First Holy Communion preceded by First Confession. Canon Law states:
It appears to me that children should make their first confession before First Holy Communion! |
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| Gerard | Wednesday, 18. April 2007, 18:02 Post #36 |
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I agree, and in the example I used - Reconciliation followed one year later. Gerry |
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| Deacon Robert | Wednesday, 18. April 2007, 18:18 Post #37 |
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The practice of recieving first communion before first confession was becoming used regularly in the U.S. The bishops have put a stop to it here. The order has been restored to reconcilliation then first Eucharist. The sacraments are usually grouped under three headings: initiation Baptism First Eucharist Confirmation Healing Reconciliation Annointing of the sick service Marriage Holy Orders I am sure everyone knew this, sometime it just helps to refresh our memories |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 18. April 2007, 20:19 Post #38 |
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It apparently used to be the norm in Britain to baptise converts from other denominations conditionally, because there was no guarantee that the original baptism was valid. Clare. |
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| Derekap | Wednesday, 18. April 2007, 22:20 Post #39 |
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In my experience converts were only Baptised conditionally if there was any doubt about their original Baptism, not that there may be. In the 1930s Catholics were being urged to go to Confession and receive Holy Communion at least once a month. This was usually on the first Sunday of the month. Because the fast was from Midnight, this meant the early Masses were very well-attended and the penitents kept the priests busy the day before or earlier in the the week. If memory serves me right, monthly Holy Communion was urged from the very early part of the 20th Century. In this area children make their first Confession several weeks before their first Holy Communion. |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 18. April 2007, 22:55 Post #40 |
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The book "The Teaching of the Catholic Church" (imprimatur 1951) says:
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| Eve | Wednesday, 18. April 2007, 23:12 Post #41 |
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Please can we stick to the matter of First Holy Communions and Confessions as administered now, not in the pre Vatican 2 era? Nelly opened this thread because she is a parent, seeking to improve her knowledge so she can help her children. |
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| PJD | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 18:59 Post #42 |
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Deacon Robert - thanks for that information; I didn't know that in the States first confession could follow first communion. Quite right I believe that that procedure has been reversed. Over here, as far as I know, first confession has always preceded first communion; at least right through the last century up until now. It seems to me to be a logical progression. PJD |
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| nelly k | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 20:12 Post #43 |
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Gerry, after I read Alans post thats what Idid, went to the Catechism, I dont why I did`nt do that in the first place, but its still good to get a sounding board, I ve not read all the other posts on this , so Iam away back to read, nelly |
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| nelly k | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 20:19 Post #44 |
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Incase there is some confusion, my daughter did all the prep and did recieve the Sacrement of Reconcilation , first Confession Last year, I am concearned that its been a year or there about since her first Confession, but it maybe ties in with the Easter duties? nelly |
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| Clare | Thursday, 19. April 2007, 21:04 Post #45 |
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First Confession a year before First Holy Communion? In my day ( 1982 ish) I think there was a week between First Confession and First Communion.Clare. |
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1982 ish) I think there was a week between First Confession and First Communion.
3:45 PM Jul 11