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First Holy Communions; Differences in celebrations
Topic Started: Tuesday, 20. March 2007, 22:07 (2,227 Views)
Rose of York
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Many adult converts are not baptised immediately prior to reception into the Catholic Church, because they have already been baptised.

Gerard
Apr 18 2007, 09:40 AM
I think this sends out the correct message - that 7 year olds do not commit mortal sins.

Gerry



Seven year olds who have reached the age of reason are able to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong, therefore are capable of sin. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is not reserved to those who have comitted mortal sins.

Ten year olds have committed murder. Seven is a good age for the child to learn about conscience and forgiveness.
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Gerard

Rose,

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Seven year olds who have reached the age of reason are able to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong, therefore are capable of sin. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is not reserved to those who have comitted mortal sins.


But neither is it a requirement prior to communion for those not in mortal sin.

Gerry

"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Rose of York
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Gerard
Apr 18 2007, 03:30 PM
Rose,

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The Sacrament of Reconciliation is not reserved to those who have comitted mortal sins.


But neither is it a requirement prior to communion for those not in mortal sin.

Gerry

Who said it is?
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Gerard

Rose,

Alan came close - but I will let him clarify.

Also its so easy to fall into that mindset such that people fear to go to communion. I believe this was a real problem in the past. One which many popes tried to work to overcome. It was only when one of them introduced chilhood communion that it started to turn the corner and people grew up being used to receiving communion frequently.

Gerry
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Rose of York
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Gerard, this is what Alan wrote.

Alan
Apr 18 2007, 01:17 AM
Clare
Apr 17 2007, 09:51 PM
Surely Penance and Eucharist are two different sacraments?

Clare.

Yes they are.

For the purpose of Initiation they are described as one preparation as it is not possible to receive the First Eucharist without being prepared and receiving the Sacrament of Penance. (Excluding cases where there is grave risk to life).


That is the usual procedure when children make their First Holy Communion.

Pope Pius X encourged frequent Holy Communion, and reception of Holy Communion by children. If we allow children to receive Holy Communion frequently for as long as they wish, without ever receiving the Sacrament of Reconciliation, it could be an ingrained habit by the time they do commit serious sin. Indeed, they could forget the importance of Confession and sacramental absolution.

Though there are no changes in doctrine, practises do change. Currently, catechists prepare children for First Holy Communion preceded by First Confession.

Canon Law states:

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Can.  914 It is primarily the duty of parents and those who take the place of parents, as well as the duty of pastors, to take care that children who have reached the use of reason are prepared properly and, after they have made sacramental confession, are refreshed with this divine food as soon as possible. It is for the pastor to exercise vigilance so that children who have not attained the use of reason or whom he judges are not sufficiently disposed do not approach holy communion.


It appears to me that children should make their first confession before First Holy Communion!
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Rose

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Pope Pius X encourged frequent Holy Communion, and reception of Holy Communion by children. If we allow children to receive Holy Communion frequently for as long as they wish, without ever receiving the Sacrament of Reconciliation, it could be an ingrained habit by the time they do commit serious sin. Indeed, they could forget the importance of Confession and sacramental absolution


I agree, and in the example I used - Reconciliation followed one year later.

Gerry
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The practice of recieving first communion before first confession was becoming used regularly in the U.S. The bishops have put a stop to it here. The order has been restored to reconcilliation then first Eucharist.

The sacraments are usually grouped under three headings:

initiation

Baptism
First Eucharist
Confirmation

Healing

Reconciliation
Annointing of the sick


service

Marriage
Holy Orders

I am sure everyone knew this, sometime it just helps to refresh our memories

The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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Rose of York
Apr 18 2007, 02:03 PM
Many adult converts are not baptised immediately prior to reception into the Catholic Church, because they have already been baptised.

It apparently used to be the norm in Britain to baptise converts from other denominations conditionally, because there was no guarantee that the original baptism was valid.

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In my experience converts were only Baptised conditionally if there was any doubt about their original Baptism, not that there may be.

In the 1930s Catholics were being urged to go to Confession and receive Holy Communion at least once a month. This was usually on the first Sunday of the month. Because the fast was from Midnight, this meant the early Masses were very well-attended and the penitents kept the priests busy the day before or earlier in the the week.

If memory serves me right, monthly Holy Communion was urged from the very early part of the 20th Century.

In this area children make their first Confession several weeks before their first Holy Communion.
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Apr 18 2007, 10:20 PM
In my experience converts were only Baptised conditionally if there was any doubt about their original Baptism, not that there may be.

The book "The Teaching of the Catholic Church" (imprimatur 1951) says:

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"We might mention here that all converts in England today coming from the various sects are baptised conditionally. The principle of the validity of baptism administered by heretics is not at stake here, as the precaution of conditional baptism is taken, lest through carelessness, the outward sign might not be correctly used. That such carelessness might arise is all the more likely from the fact that, outside the Catholic Church, there is no clear theological teaching on the Sacraments and the way in which they cause Grace...."


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Please can we stick to the matter of First Holy Communions and Confessions as administered now, not in the pre Vatican 2 era? Nelly opened this thread because she is a parent, seeking to improve her knowledge so she can help her children.
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Deacon Robert - thanks for that information; I didn't know that in the States first confession could follow first communion. Quite right I believe that that procedure has been reversed.

Over here, as far as I know, first confession has always preceded first communion; at least right through the last century up until now. It seems to me to be a logical progression.

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nelly k

Gerry, after I read Alans post thats what Idid, went to the Catechism, I dont why I did`nt do that in the first place, but its still good to get a sounding board, I ve not read all the other posts on this , so Iam away back to read, nelly
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Incase there is some confusion, my daughter did all the prep and did recieve the Sacrement of Reconcilation , first Confession Last year, I am concearned that its been a year or there about since her first Confession, but it maybe ties in with the Easter duties? nelly
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nelly k
Apr 19 2007, 08:19 PM
Incase there is some confusion, my daughter did all the prep and did recieve the Sacrement of Reconcilation , first Confession Last year, I am concearned that its been a year or there about since her first Confession, but it maybe ties in with the Easter duties? nelly

First Confession a year before First Holy Communion?

In my day ( :lol: 1982 ish) I think there was a week between First Confession and First Communion.

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