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First Holy Communions; Differences in celebrations
Topic Started: Tuesday, 20. March 2007, 22:07 (2,228 Views)
nelly k

Micheal, like you I thought it should always be May , but if your read Alans post I can now understand why it is June, in our case that is, Corpus Christi , the Body and Blood of Christ hence 1st Holy Communion, so the aim is to get close to that date,

Decon Robert, its only in the past few years that the age for Confirmation was brought down, my 13 yr old , recived this Sacrement at about 10, it used to be 11/12 and was a huge Celebration in The Cathedral in Edinburgh, well that was what happend with my 21 yr old niece, my 13 yr old was in the School Parish, when the changes were announced I recall 1913 being mentioned, maybe that was when the older age was adopted.

Derek, I think I had a discussion long time back with Joseph about this , he was a bit thrown by it as well, Ill see how things go with the work book that goes between home and school, do a bit comparing from how Teaching/Instruction in the Faith has been approached through the years. nelly
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Nelly,

Some of the Bishops have changed in the last few years as it was left to their discretion. It was not a mandate, in the US we have three that changed this year. It is up to the individual Bishop. The date for the change according to my text was 1910, but that is when it went out from Rome. the Bishops in the UK might not have instituted it until 1913. In any case, I am happy to see the change.
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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In some English dioceses, confirmation normally takes place in the teenage years. That seems to make sense, because it is an opportunity for a young Catholic to make a public commitment, having gained knowledge of the teachings of the Catholic Church.
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Thank You Deacon Robert. Your information is very interesting!
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nelly k

My youngest has now picked her confirmation Saint, and I was surprised, St Bernadette, she seems such a gentle Saint, my 8 year old is a bit of a tyrant at times then confusess me by being over sensative, maybe St Bernadette will do her much good , nelly
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Bernadette is my middle name!

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nelly k

Well Clare,can I say no surprises there :D

Do you remember ages ago I thought there was a "Clare" about my youngest and I had hoped that a St Clare would have been a choice, so although I regard you both as honarary members of the "akward squad", you are both very unique and both have a gentle St Bernadette about you.

PS ,no offence is meant, and I hope you see it as a compliment realy , Niamh is very wonderfull in her own way, nelly
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nelly k
Apr 10 2007, 04:12 PM
...although I regard you both as honarary members of the "akward squad", you are both very unique and both have a gentle St Bernadette about you.

Thank you, Nelly! B)

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PS ,no offence is meant, and I hope you see it as a compliment realy ,


No offence taken! I'm honored to be a member of the "Awkward Squad"! :D

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nelly k

I enjoy blethering about this just now ,
Just thought that there is sometimes quite negative feedback re Catholic Scools and handing down the Faith, I have my youngest Confirmation book home , and today they did the seven Sacraments, there is a bit about the Sacraments of Initiation, three of them , she has asked me to explian these, as compared with the others, and Iam not making sense, help :huh: nelly
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nelly k
Apr 17 2007, 06:29 PM
there is a bit about the Sacraments of Initiation, three of them , she has asked me to explian these, as compared with the others, and Iam not making sense, help :huh:  nelly

The Sacraments of Initiation are as follows.

1. Baptism
2. Penance and Eucharist
3 Confirmation.

Baptism is when parents have their child admitted to the Catholic church and the parents take on responsibility for instructing their child. Baptism also cleanses from Original Sin.

Penance and Eucharist are given when the child has reached the age when they can understand the use of reason. Still under Parental guidance. Usually administered in England and Wales to 7/8 year olds. Dictated by Diocesan practice.

Confirmation is normally given between 11/13 years of age, in England and Wales, when the candidate takes responsibility for the development of their own Faith. For the candidates this should be the beginning of a life Long journey of faith. Always supported by family, friends and parish.

Hope this helps Nelly.

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Apr 17 2007, 09:40 PM
The Sacraments of Initiation are as follows.

1. Baptism
2. Penance and Eucharist
3 Confirmation.

Surely Penance and Eucharist are two different sacraments?

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Apr 17 2007, 09:51 PM
Surely Penance and Eucharist are two different sacraments?

Clare.

Yes they are.

For the purpose of Initiation they are described as one preparation as it is not possible to receive the First Eucharist without being prepared and receiving the Sacrament of Penance. (Excluding cases where there is grave risk to life).

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Gerard

Nelly,

This is what the catechism has to say:

1212 The sacraments of Christian initiation - Baptism, Confirmation, and the Eucharist - lay the foundations of every Christian life. "The sharing in the divine nature given to men through the grace of Christ bears a certain likeness to the origin, development, and nourishing of natural life. The faithful are born anew by Baptism, strengthened by the sacrament of Confirmation, and receive in the Eucharist the food of eternal life. By means of these sacraments of Christian initiation, they thus receive in increasing measure the treasures of the divine life and advance toward the perfection of charity."

When in doubt - read the instructions ;)

When an adult is received into the Church they receive the above three sacraments of initiation at the same time. Well, separated by a few minutes each. This is how it was in the early Church and there is no need for reconcilation since Baptism forgives all sins.

It gets more complicated by infant Baptism.

My son received his first holy communion a year before his first reconciliation. I think this sends out the correct message - that 7 year olds do not commit mortal sins.

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Apr 18 2007, 09:40 AM
My son received his first holy communion a year before his first reconciliation. I think this sends out the correct message - that 7 year olds do not commit mortal sins.

Interesting you should say that, Gerard, since I thought I'd heard that sacraments of penance and Holy Communion had been reversed in recent years.

Of course, you imply that the Church had it wrong all this time, and still does where the traditional sequence is maintained.... :wh:

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Clare,

Straw man

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