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| Topic Started: Sunday, 6. May 2007, 22:53 (1,700 Views) | |
| James | Tuesday, 29. May 2007, 18:58 Post #76 |
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To understand more Jim for I am more practical than academic and "terms" need to be explained to me in a practical way. Much like "pure maths" is harder for me to understand that the same formula used in applied maths. So from a practical day to day and understandable explanation - for me What is this non moving condition?. Is it a mental state ? Is it a non thinking state ? Is it a physical state ? How do you apply this condition in your daily life so I may understand a bit more. ? Better still if you can guve me an example of it at work in "day to day" living ? Are you a Buddhist man Jim ? James |
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| jimc1 | Tuesday, 29. May 2007, 20:06 Post #77 |
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James imho and as I see it-Jesus knows we are lost sheep[even if we dont know or wont accept this] and where we are and need help"before they call I will hear and before they ask I will answer"-so if the lost sheep keeps on bleating and moving about off radar screen and wavelength then he is in danger from the big bad wolves in sheep"s clothing -jimc |
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| jimc1 | Tuesday, 29. May 2007, 20:52 Post #78 |
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Mick-you quote Gen.1:26 of which I am well aware but this was man[Adam]berore "THE FALL"-Man[you and I]after "THE FALL" were created in the fallen image of Adam not God-Gen.5:3-this makes sense and also commonsense[imho] for Adam was created perfect and immortal,we are neither now but will be restored to this glory on the last day "and now O Father glorify me with the glory I had with Thee before the world was and the glory which Thou has given me,I have given to them that they may be one,as we also are one"-jimc |
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| James | Tuesday, 29. May 2007, 23:36 Post #79 |
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No No Jim. We are not the lost sheep - we are the sheep who have been found. We are already with the Father. He has found us in Jesus. The Father now asks very little of you. He asks that you seek truth and speak it when you find it. He asks that you treat your brother or sister as you would be treated. Forgiving what you need to be forgiven of. He asks you to honour your parents and value your children. When you look to sin on the way then you are lost again. But call to MY SON and HE is there. MY kingdom is in your heart, free from greed and hate. To find it you must surrender your willfulness and listen to the quiet voice within. For there I AM. and there you will find US. And when you die in MY SON then there will be no judgement for I promised you that. You are mine and I am yours and MY kingdom is already within you. |
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| MickCook | Tuesday, 29. May 2007, 23:52 Post #80 |
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Genesis 5:3 states that Adam had a son whom he named Seth, after his own image and likeness. This means that he looked like Adam, it does not mean that Adam "Created" him because no human being can create a soul and the "image of God" refers to man in both body and soul. To separate the soul from the body is known as dualism and the Church considers this heresy. You are misreading Sacred Scripture, which should not be taken literally. Adam did not Create, he simply had a son after God had told him to go fourth and multiply (Genesis 1:28), a command of God that came before the fall. Jimc, what you are saying is actually contrary to Church teaching. You are saying that man is creating man and in a sense has taken over from God. This is clearly NOT the case - creation is the sole province of God. |
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| jimc1 | Wednesday, 30. May 2007, 17:55 Post #81 |
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Mick....it seems I have to correct you not on just one statement but on every one eventually if not sooner-starting with Teilhard who caused almost as great a crisis in and for the Church it seems as did Galileo and the backlash still lingers on it seems-be that as it may one must ask why these two among some others are held in such high esteem and favour by some Catholics-even among the clergy and hierarchy-jimc |
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| PJD | Wednesday, 30. May 2007, 18:32 Post #82 |
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KatyA quite rightly mentioned predestination– which acts directly against the teaching of the Church on free will (some confuse predestination with God’s Foreknowledge). That is why I believe we must be very circumspect about the manner in which we interpret biblical passages. Relying instead on Holy Mother Church through the Saints. Take for example Romans 7:14-15 which mentions being ‘sold under sin’ and ‘I do not that good which I will; but the evil which I hate, that I do’. Anyone entering into this rashly might be led to the conclusion that the idea of free will is suspect. But this is not so under proper direction, or indeed as regards common sense. For “I am carnal, sold under sin” means that being carnal, and like Adam, we are placed between good and evil, and have it in our power to choose what we will. This completely equates to both principles i.e. the free will God gave man and His Justice as a consequence of having violated the spiritual law. Again Romans 7:15 in particular is not referring to the doing evil, but of only thinking it. For we cannot hinder thoughts from coming into our minds, since we receive them when they are inspired into us from outside; but we are able to abstain from obeying them and acting upon them. Therefore it is in our power to will not to think these things; but not to bring it about that they shall pass away, so as not to come into the mind again. Thus although it is not in our power to think or not to think of improper things, it is in our power to act or not to act upon them. PJD [ ”For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am carnal, sold under sin” (7:14)“For that which I work, I understand not. For I do not that good which I will; but the evil which I hate, that I do”(7:15)] |
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| jimc1 | Wednesday, 30. May 2007, 19:53 Post #83 |
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PJD....Even if it be accepted that that your interpretation is the correct one-it appears in the last few para sentences that you are doing a lot of thinking that you do not in fact do so your previous paras could be equally fallacious-jimc |
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| jimc1 | Wednesday, 30. May 2007, 21:54 Post #84 |
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Mick -you have misinterpreted and misconstrued and then pointed to me as being so naive as to reject God as creator then as even now - I did say we are now created body and soul by God in the fallen image of Adam-btw you seem to have overlooked my appeal to commonsense-jimc |
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| PJD | Thursday, 31. May 2007, 19:25 Post #85 |
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Jim I suppose I must really apologise to you - I have been a bit naughty - taken my cue from St. Methodius, but didn't mention it. But I won't do it again; or rather rarely- temptation from without you see (smile). PJD |
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