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My Goodness !?; Goodness me !?
Topic Started: Sunday, 6. May 2007, 22:53 (1,703 Views)
James
James
Ah Jimc.
The eternal dilemma and condition of us all.
God Bless you my friend.
You are a good man.
You have very good knowledge of the bible - much more than me.
If you don't mind me making one small point - you have a tendency to play
"cat and mouse" with people using those long hours of study no doubt and vast knowledge.

My opinion only - no doubt you will disagree and quote something else at me. :D
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Emee
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At several times in my life I have had to make a choice of my own free will whether to choose to believe in God (with very little to go on apart from the amount of faith I did have) and to allow God's authority to rule in my life, or to deny the existence of God and to live to suit myself. Both choices would have had very different consequences believe you and me.

At such times I was aware I was making a completely free choice - no one was forcing me to believe or choose anything. I was aware at those points in my life I was exercising my free will. I saw I could have gone either way and I had only my faith to help guide me.
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PJD


Yes Emee - you can either lift up your left leg or your right or both. As you say - choice.

PJD
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jimc1
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PJD
May 26 2007, 06:28 PM
Yes Emee - you can either lift up your left leg or your right or both. As you say - choice.

PJD



PJD.....A complete and utter fallacy-you are not lifting your legs,because firstly they are not your legs[did you perchance purchase them in a second leg shop or a second hand shop-your?legs are being lifted or who is this you? that is lifting your?legs-re freewill and choice I again advise please see Rmns.7:14-24-jimc
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PJD


I am proving I am correct. I'm lifting my left leg now (laugh).

PJD
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James
James
Now, Now PJD.

You are still nor proving it's your leg.
When the legs were being passed out a lot of people were given the wrong ones.
I know a woman who was given a man's leg.
There!!!!
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jimc1
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PJD
May 27 2007, 09:09 AM
I am proving I am correct. I'm lifting my left leg now (laugh).

PJD


ah so PJD-so you did not get your leg at a secondhand/leg shop-you stole[lifted]it-best take it back or someone could be hopping mad-jimc
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Eve
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jimc1
May 26 2007, 07:46 PM
PJD
May 26 2007, 06:28 PM
Yes Emee - you can either lift up your left leg or your right or both. As you say - choice.

PJD



PJD.....A complete and utter fallacy-you are not lifting your legs,because firstly they are not your legs[did you perchance purchase them in a second leg shop or a second hand shop-your?legs are being lifted or who is this you? that is lifting your?legs-re freewill and choice I again advise please see Rmns.7:14-24-jimc

PJD
May 27 2007, 10:09 AM
I am proving I am correct. I'm lifting my left leg now (laugh).

PJD


James
May 27 2007, 10:35 AM
Now, Now PJD.

You are still nor proving it's your leg.
When the legs were being passed out a lot of people were given the wrong ones.
I know a woman who was given a man's leg.
There!!!!

jimc1
May 27 2007, 03:01 PM


ah so PJD-so you did not get your leg at a secondhand/leg shop-you stole[lifted]it-best take it back or someone could be hopping mad-jimc

I am still trying to ascertain whether these posts have relevance. Are they cryptic?

Non cryptic answers would be appreciated.
Howdy Folks. Has anybody seen my husband lately?
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Eve
May 27 2007, 07:50 PM
jimc1
May 26 2007, 07:46 PM
PJD
May 26 2007, 06:28 PM
Yes Emee - you can either lift up your left leg or your right or both. As you say - choice.

PJD



PJD.....A complete and utter fallacy-you are not lifting your legs,because firstly they are not your legs[did you perchance purchase them in a second leg shop or a second hand shop-your?legs are being lifted or who is this you? that is lifting your?legs-re freewill and choice I again advise please see Rmns.7:14-24-jimc

PJD
May 27 2007, 10:09 AM
I am proving I am correct. I'm lifting my left leg now (laugh).

PJD


James
May 27 2007, 10:35 AM
Now, Now PJD.

You are still nor proving it's your leg.
When the legs were being passed out a lot of people were given the wrong ones.
I know a woman who was given a man's leg.
There!!!!

jimc1
May 27 2007, 03:01 PM


ah so PJD-so you did not get your leg at a secondhand/leg shop-you stole[lifted]it-best take it back or someone could be hopping mad-jimc

I am still trying to ascertain whether these posts have relevance. Are they cryptic?

Non cryptic answers would be appreciated.


Yes-I agree-jimc
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Rose of York
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jimc1
May 27 2007, 09:13 PM

Yes-I agree-jimc

You agree with WHAT, jim?
Keep the Faith!

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Rose of York
May 27 2007, 08:19 PM
jimc1
May 27 2007, 09:13 PM

Yes-I agree-jimc

You agree with WHAT, jim?


cryptics-cryptic posts and cryptic answers-jimc
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Rose of York
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Thank you jim. I thought so. As this is a forum for all the members, not a chat room, let us open it up to all, by discussing in a straight forward manner.

So here is my contribution, non cryptic.

If a person does wrong it can because of one of the following reasons, and there may be other possibilities:

1 The person never even stopped to think whether it was right or wrong. They wanted to do something, and just did it.

2 The person knew it was wrong, and did not care, wanted to do it, so did it.

3 The person was tempted, considered whether or not the proposed action was right or wrong, concluded it was wrong, and went ahead, despite knowing they may offend God, and sometimes, other people.

4 The person was tempted and due to a difficulty, for example mental illness, could not resist, and did it.

How far is a person responsible for actions, carried out during a period of mental illness? Extreme provocation can cause a person to temporarily have impaired will power.

If a person does good, it can be because of one of the following reasons, and there may be other possibilities:

1 The person never even stopped to think whether it was right or wrong. They wanted to do something, and just did it.

2 The person knew it was right, did not attach importance to whether it was right, wanted to do it, so did it.

3 The person found the idea of doing it attractive, considered whether or not the proposed action was right or wrong, concluded it was right, and went ahead, happy in the knowledge that it would be pleasing to God, and sometimes, other people.

4 The person did not want to do it, but knew it should be done, and it was a good thing to do, so fought temptation and did it.

All eight instances, except in the case of mental illness, demonstrate the use of free will.

jimc1
May 18 2007, 12:49 PM
Do we really have any goodness of our own that will qualify us for heaven !?-jimc


We are, like dogs, cows, horses and mice, mere mammals. Man can be savage if he so chooses. But - God made us in His own image and likeness, with souls, and willpower. We choose whether to be thankful for that and behave ourselves! Without God we would have no eternal souls. Sin makes us unfit to be in the presence of God. God made man paid the price on our behalf. He expects us to repay him by being sorry when we do wrong.

Jesus saves. He also said we must repent. There would be no need for that if we automatically went to Heaven. Jesus acknowledged John the Baptist, who preached the need for repentance.

So, anybody who wants to go to Heaven needs to say Sorry when they have sinned.
Keep the Faith!

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jimc1
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Rose of York
May 27 2007, 08:44 PM
Thank you jim. I thought so. As this is a forum for all the members, not a chat room, let us open it up to all, by discussing in a straight forward manner.

So here is my contribution, non cryptic.

If a person does wrong it can because of one of the following reasons, and there may be other possibilities:

1 The person never even stopped to think whether it was right or wrong. They wanted to do something, and just did it.

2 The person knew it was wrong, and did not care, wanted to do it, so did it.

3 The person was tempted, considered whether or not the proposed action was right or wrong, concluded it was wrong, and went ahead, despite knowing they may offend God, and sometimes, other people.

4 The person was tempted and due to a difficulty, for example mental illness, could not resist, and did it.

How far is a person responsible for actions, carried out during a period of mental illness? Extreme provocation can cause a person to temporarily have impaired will power.

If a person does good, it can be because of one of the following reasons, and there may be other possibilities:

1 The person never even stopped to think whether it was right or wrong. They wanted to do something, and just did it.

2 The person knew it was right, did not attach importance to whether it was right, wanted to do it, so did it.

3 The person found the idea of doing it attractive, considered whether or not the proposed action was right or wrong, concluded it was right, and went ahead, happy in the knowledge that it would be pleasing to God, and sometimes, other people.

4 The person did not want to do it, but knew it should be done, and it was a good thing to do, so fought temptation and did it.

All eight instances, except in the case of mental illness, demonstrate the use of free will.

jimc1
May 18 2007, 12:49 PM
Do we really have any goodness of our own that will qualify us for heaven !?-jimc


We are, like dogs, cows, horses and mice, mere mammals. Man can be savage if he so chooses. But - God made us in His own image and likeness, with souls, and willpower. We choose whether to be thankful for that and behave ourselves! Without God we would have no eternal souls. Sin makes us unfit to be in the presence of God. God made man paid the price on our behalf. He expects us to repay him by being sorry when we do wrong.

Jesus saves. He also said we must repent. There would be no need for that if we automatically went to Heaven. Jesus acknowledged John the Baptist, who preached the need for repentance.

So, anybody who wants to go to Heaven needs to say Sorry when they have sinned.


Rose-here is my cryptic reply-we are not made in the image and likeness of God-this belittles God[imho]-we are a fallen image and likeness - like a temple in ruins still showing forth the glory that once was man who was created in the image and likeness of God-this glory will once more be ours through the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ who will restore to this image and likeness-jimc
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May 27 2007, 10:11 PM
Rose-here is my cryptic reply-we are not made in the image and likeness of God-this belittles God[imho]-we are a fallen image and likeness - like a temple in ruins still showing forth the glory that once was man who was created in the image and likeness of God-this glory will once more be ours through the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ who will restore to this image and likeness-jimc

jimc there is nothing crypric about that.

Are you preaching Justification by Faith Without Good Works?
Keep the Faith!

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Rose of York
May 27 2007, 09:17 PM
jimc1
May 27 2007, 10:11 PM
Rose-here is my cryptic reply-we are not made in the image and likeness of God-this belittles God[imho]-we are a fallen image and likeness - like a temple in ruins still showing forth the glory that once was man who was created in the image and likeness of God-this glory will once more be ours through the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ who will restore to this image and likeness-jimc

jimc there is nothing crypric about that.

Are you preaching Justification by Faith Without Good Works?


Rose-being cryptic I left one word out[faith]-this glory will once more be ours through faith in the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ-btw I have just seen the reason for our misunderstanding as I am using the word cryptic as meaning short and sweet to your secret,obscure etc-jimc
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