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| Topic Started: Sunday, 6. May 2007, 22:53 (1,705 Views) | |
| Emee | Friday, 18. May 2007, 23:42 Post #16 |
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My view Jim: potentially yes, although all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, so now we need help in the form of Christ Jesus to get us there. There is but ONE mediator between God and man. There is no other way - but that does not mean to say that God will not save the person who isn't aware of Him or who has only a very limited knowledge of Him (such as me!!). Jim I love your posts - they make me think!! :D |
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| jimc1 | Saturday, 19. May 2007, 12:57 Post #17 |
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I thank you Emee.....but you are going to hate me when I tell you you and I and all others dont think,we mistakenly think we think wheras as in fact thoughts occur-for even He said "My sheep hear My voice"-His voice is the voice of truth-let us listen to the thoughts lest they occur and we do not hear-jimc |
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| PJD | Saturday, 19. May 2007, 19:51 Post #18 |
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That's rather like relying on locutions Jim. Those of us who don't get them [or if you like don't hear them] have to rely on reason. The intellect is part of our creation and it has been given to us to use - just like you use in when you post (double-smile). PJD |
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| James | Saturday, 19. May 2007, 20:13 Post #19 |
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Bit of a leading question Jimc1. !!! What do you mean by goodness of our own to qualify for heaven.? Is this a goodness with direct entry into heaven on it's own merit alone ? I don't think so, or why Christ ? Goodness yes but not that great surely !!! |
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| jimc1 | Saturday, 19. May 2007, 21:42 Post #20 |
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PJD....The problem is our intellects being part of our total makeup is faulty and this is what we are told,should also have observed and concluded as unreliable or at least not as reliable as the Word of God[The Bible]-we may if we insist.persist in accepting and calling this reason but God, via scriptures,says "my thoughts are higher than your thoughts""-jimc |
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| jimc1 | Saturday, 19. May 2007, 22:42 Post #21 |
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The answer is in the Bible-its just a simple case of seek and ye shall find-for the Bible says "do you not know,have ye not read,have you not been told there is none good other than God and in and through Christ we put on the white wedding garment that gains our entrance-even our very best and most expensive suit is not good enough-jimc |
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| MickCook | Sunday, 20. May 2007, 02:34 Post #22 |
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The goodness that is not born of God, but rather of the free-will of the individual and expressed as love for God. |
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| jimc1 | Sunday, 20. May 2007, 22:46 Post #23 |
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How many more times does it need pointing out that part of our malady is our faulty ego etc as a result of The Fall to even claim that we have freewill when it is obvious that we have not-St.Paul observed this whilst we refuse and fail to do so-see Rmns.7:14-24-jimc |
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| Emee | Sunday, 20. May 2007, 22:53 Post #24 |
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Ah Jim! But remember "Man is free to choose..." |
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| jimc1 | Sunday, 20. May 2007, 23:05 Post #25 |
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are you sure now Emee or is just another pretty soap bubble or balloon that will burst-do we choose or are we chosen-we definately do not choose as far as I have ascertained and this is obvious but most things have been complicated by complicated people-jimc |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 20. May 2007, 23:13 Post #26 |
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jim, you complicate things! |
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| Deleted User | Sunday, 20. May 2007, 23:39 Post #27 |
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For those not having a bible handy
I've also included verses 13 and 25, otherwise the passage is incomplete. KatyA |
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| Quicunque vult | Monday, 21. May 2007, 09:35 Post #28 |
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Anything good that we do comes from God – we are co-operating with God’s plan. Anything sinful is against the will of God and is our responsibility. To the extent that He gave us free will, He accepts the consequence that we may (and indeed do) act very wickedly, but that is not to say that He willed those things. QV |
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| James | Monday, 21. May 2007, 13:38 Post #29 |
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I think you are leading us on Jimc. Is free will not relative to something (an act for instance) and you have not defined the other side of the coin so to speak. Example = a prisoner cannot choose to go for a walk on the moors at 7am each morning, A local resident can and can exercise free will to choose whether to do so or not. I cannot fly so cannot exercise free will to flap my arms and go because I have no free will relative to that act. etc. etc. and etc. |
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| jimc1 | Tuesday, 22. May 2007, 19:27 Post #30 |
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So lets see just the majors in our lives-did we choose to be male or female,dark skin or fair-ugly or handsome/beautiful-brainy or not so brainy-tall or short-sickly or healthy-able or disabled etc-did we choose our family,relatives-the date and time of our birth-the country of our birth etc to mention just a few of the major events-not forgetting our death-jimc1 |
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