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My Goodness !?; Goodness me !?
Topic Started: Sunday, 6. May 2007, 22:53 (1,699 Views)
jimc1
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Does hell on earth help or qualify for heaven or count for no special consideration and alternatively does heaven on earth qualify for hell considering the parable of the rich young man "go sell what thou has" etc -jimc
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I trust that a person who experiences great suffering on Earth, accepts it, and offers that suffering to God, to be joined with the sufferings of Christ, will have that taken into account on Judgement Day. Similarly, "heaven on Earth" appreciated and used for the Glory of God and the good of mankind might well stand a person in good stead in the afterlife.

Happy personal relationships, health bank balances, healthy happy children and a nice house will not, be an automatic prelude to Hell and - jimc YOU KNOW IT.
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nelly k

Jim Iam sure you are more knowledgable than you sometimes indicate... so why not tell me the answer or give some guidance on this, nelly
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May 6 2007, 09:57 PM
I trust that a person who experiences great suffering on Earth, accepts it, and offers that suffering to God, to be joined with the sufferings of Christ, will have that taken into account on Judgement Day. Similarly, "heaven on Earth" appreciated and used for the Glory of God and the good of mankind might well stand a person in good stead in the afterlife.

Happy personal relationships, health bank balances, healthy happy children and a nice house will not, be an automatic prelude to Hell and - jimc YOU KNOW IT.



Yes but I am querying why does one have a bed of nails and another a bed of roses-a bed that presumably they did or did not make and are now being asked to lie in it etc-jimc
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nelly k

Jim , what some may regard as a bed of roses others may regard as a bed of nails... should we not be thinking of not coveting our neighbours goods, envy, not a nice state of mind, nelly
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May 6 2007, 11:36 PM
Yes but I am querying why does one have a bed of nails and another a bed of roses-a bed that presumably they did or did not make and are now being asked to lie in it etc-jimc

God knows.
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Jamie

I have always cavilled at the idea that being miserable is somehow holier than being happy.

Like Rose, I believe the good things in life - love, children, enough to eat, an enjoyable holiday - are to be enjoyed as long as they are not gained at the expense of someone else's misery. It would be a sad churl who would say that being happy is somehow wrong - and an ungrateful one at that.

Nor do I think that when Our Lord said: "The poor will be with you always...." that he was applauding the idea.

And while the selfish possession of great wealth may be an impediment to spiritual development, there are a great many people who - having acquired riches - use them for the general good.

Only this week we have seen the launch of the latest Mercy Ship paid for in part by a huge donation from Scottish millionairess Ann Gloag.....


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Perhaps those who have suffered much in this life and borne their sufferings graciously will spend less time in Purgatory - only God can decide for only He knows each of us inside out.

Certainly with great wealth comes great responsibilities. Personally. enough to meet the bills is great. Enough on top for the odd holiday, better yet.

There are many in the world who have neither. Those of us who do should thank God for it and the health and strength to earn it, and do all we can to help those less fortunate.

It isn't possible to judge from appearances.

someone I know seems to be the most placid, easy-going, do-anything-to-help-you,kind of person. She always smiles at you but I know she frequently struggles with that "Hell on Earth" otherwise known as depression. You can't tell from looking.

Josephine
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May 6 2007, 10:53 PM
Does hell on earth help or qualify for heaven or count for no special consideration and alternatively does heaven on earth qualify for hell considering the parable of the rich young man "go sell what thou has" etc -jimc

I'm rich. Our home is small. We do not have a large sum of money. From the front window I see a tree lined stream, a large grassy area, a field full of livestock, pheasants, gold finches, occasionally a pair of herons, and sometimes, buzzards. On warm summer nights I sit outdoors in the early hours of the morning, with no fear of being mugged. How can I sell these riches? They have no monetary value.

Define riches!
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Rose of York
May 7 2007, 09:33 PM
jimc1
May 6 2007, 10:53 PM
Does hell on earth help or qualify for heaven or count for no special consideration and alternatively does heaven on earth qualify for hell considering the parable of the rich young man "go sell what thou has" etc -jimc

I'm rich. Our home is small. We do not have a large sum of money. From the front window I see a tree lined stream, a large grassy area, a field full of livestock, pheasants, gold finches, occasionally a pair of herons, and sometimes, buzzards. On warm summer nights I sit outdoors in the early hours of the morning, with no fear of being mugged. How can I sell these riches? They have no monetary value.

Define riches!



Rose....this is easily done for you are talking about enchantment i.e. enchanted by and with the world....for now just see Jn.12:25 & LK.14:26-MORE LATER-MUST GET SOME SLEEP etc-jimc
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Rose of York
May 7 2007, 09:33 PM
jimc1
May 6 2007, 10:53 PM
Does hell on earth help or qualify for heaven or count for no special consideration and alternatively does heaven on earth qualify for hell considering the parable of the rich young man "go sell what thou has" etc -jimc

I'm rich. Our home is small. We do not have a large sum of money. From the front window I see a tree lined stream, a large grassy area, a field full of livestock, pheasants, gold finches, occasionally a pair of herons, and sometimes, buzzards. On warm summer nights I sit outdoors in the early hours of the morning, with no fear of being mugged. How can I sell these riches? They have no monetary value.

Define riches!



Rose....this is easily done for you are talking about enchantment i.e. enchanted by and with the world....for now just see Jn.12:25 & LK.14:26-MORE LATER-MUST GET SOME SLEEP etc-jimc


contd: how about friendshipwith the world is enmity with God....James.4:4 and also what about 1Jn.2:15 "if any man love the world the love of the Father is not in him-as a woman this does not exclude you-jimc
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Do we really have any goodness of our own that will qualify us for heaven !?-jimc
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PJD


At a quess! No and Yes; No because everything comes from God, Yes in potential.

Repeat - just a guess. No arguments.

PJD
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tomais

No No not another introspective cul de sac!
Welcome all the pseudo analysts fresh from higher leaving modern studies, on their way to Westminster politics
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May 18 2007, 07:07 PM
No No not another introspective cul de sac!
Welcome all the pseudo analysts fresh from higher leaving modern studies, on their way to Westminster politics



None need get upset if they dont know the answer -just have a guess like PJD-jimc
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