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God/omni; plus or minus
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Topic Started: Sunday, 13. May 2007, 17:34 (411 Views)
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Thursday, 7. June 2007, 09:26
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From what I can understand that which Jim has outlined does not appear to be contradicted within Genesis 18.
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Thursday, 7. June 2007, 14:05
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The subject of the Trinity in the Old Testament is dealt with at http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Fa...02/trinity.html
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Genesis, Exodus, the Psalms and Wisdom literature are especially rich in adumbrations of the Trinity. For the sake of convenience, these references can be divided into three categories: first, passages that hint at the plurality of persons in the Deity; second, passages that refer by name to the holy spirit or to the word or the wisdom of God; third, passages in which God appears in physical form to the patriarchs or prophets.
In the creation story itself there are indications that God is “not solitary.” In Genesis 1:26-27 God says, “Let us make man in our image.” The Anchor Bible translates this as a singular: “I will make man in my image, after my likeness.” The editor explains that the plural is merely a grammatical peculiarity, since no other gods are mentioned, and suggests that perhaps the fact that God is referring to Himself may account for the more formal construction in the plural.1 This seems to be begging the question, however: since no other gods are mentioned, it must be a grammatical quirk. But why could not the reasoning just as easily be turned around? Since it is a grammatical plural, we have to allow for the possibility that other persons are being addressed. The Jewish teachers represented in Justin’s Dialogue also claim that this plural is either just a manner of speaking, or else that God was speaking to the elements. But Justin points out that the creation narrative goes on to say, “Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.” Clearly, knowing good from evil is not an attribute of the elements. Therefore God is conversing with a rational being or beings who are numerically distinct from him. Justin connects the use of the plural in the creation story with the testimony of Proverbs 8, in which Wisdom is personified as a co-eternal presence with the God of creation (Dialogue with Trypho 62).2 Similarly, Theophilus of Antioch concludes that the statement ‘Let us make man in our image’ is addressed to the Second and Third Persons of the Trinity: “But to no one else than his own Word and wisdom did He say, ‘Let us make’“ (To Autolycus 2.18).
There is a further article by the same author at http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Fa...04/trinity.html KatyA
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Thursday, 7. June 2007, 19:19
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- Jun 7 2007, 01:05 PM
The subject of the Trinity in the Old Testament is dealt with at http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Fa...02/trinity.html- Quote:
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Genesis, Exodus, the Psalms and Wisdom literature are especially rich in adumbrations of the Trinity. For the sake of convenience, these references can be divided into three categories: first, passages that hint at the plurality of persons in the Deity; second, passages that refer by name to the holy spirit or to the word or the wisdom of God; third, passages in which God appears in physical form to the patriarchs or prophets.
In the creation story itself there are indications that God is “not solitary.” In Genesis 1:26-27 God says, “Let us make man in our image.” The Anchor Bible translates this as a singular: “I will make man in my image, after my likeness.” The editor explains that the plural is merely a grammatical peculiarity, since no other gods are mentioned, and suggests that perhaps the fact that God is referring to Himself may account for the more formal construction in the plural.1 This seems to be begging the question, however: since no other gods are mentioned, it must be a grammatical quirk. But why could not the reasoning just as easily be turned around? Since it is a grammatical plural, we have to allow for the possibility that other persons are being addressed. The Jewish teachers represented in Justin’s Dialogue also claim that this plural is either just a manner of speaking, or else that God was speaking to the elements. But Justin points out that the creation narrative goes on to say, “Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.” Clearly, knowing good from evil is not an attribute of the elements. Therefore God is conversing with a rational being or beings who are numerically distinct from him. Justin connects the use of the plural in the creation story with the testimony of Proverbs 8, in which Wisdom is personified as a co-eternal presence with the God of creation (Dialogue with Trypho 62).2 Similarly, Theophilus of Antioch concludes that the statement ‘Let us make man in our image’ is addressed to the Second and Third Persons of the Trinity: “But to no one else than his own Word and wisdom did He say, ‘Let us make’“ (To Autolycus 2.18).
There is a further article by the same author at http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Fa...04/trinity.htmlKatyA
KatyA....THANK YOU FOR THAT-very interesting,I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT-I am also implying that the I AM of the burning bush and Moses is the same I AM that was before Abraham was who "rejoiced to see my day and he saw it and was glad" and this I AM was Jesus Christ who gave the ten commandments to Moses on Mt.Sinai-"keep my commandments he said to His disciples"and "no new commandments give I unto you except that you love one another"-jimc
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Thursday, 7. June 2007, 22:00
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- Jun 7 2007, 07:19 PM
keep my commandments he said to His disciples"and "no new commandments give I unto you except that you love one another"-jimc
Where is that written? Chapter and verse please, jimc
St Matthew, Chapter 22
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36 Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.
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36 "Teacher, 21 which commandment in the law is the greatest?" 37 He said to him, 22 "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 The second is like it: 23 You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 24 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."
jim neither of those says that Jesus said he would give no new commandments. He explained that all the laws and the prophets were based on those two commandments.
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Thursday, 7. June 2007, 23:15
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- Rose of York
- Jun 7 2007, 09:00 PM
- jimc1
- Jun 7 2007, 07:19 PM
keep my commandments he said to His disciples"and "no new commandments give I unto you except that you love one another"-jimc
Where is that written? Chapter and verse please, jimc St Matthew, Chapter 22 - Douay Version
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36 Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.
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36 "Teacher, 21 which commandment in the law is the greatest?" 37 He said to him, 22 "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 The second is like it: 23 You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 24 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."
jim neither of those says that Jesus said he would give no new commandments. He explained that all the laws and the prophets were based on those two commandments.
Rose.....see John.13;34 & 2 John 6-jimc
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