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Glasgow Trial; Priest's role
Topic Started: Saturday, 5. May 2007, 20:51 (1,357 Views)
medjugorje vin


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The number 7 will not be lost on you.

Sorry I don't quite follow you.


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However, the Church has questions to answer and no amount of pagan mumbo-jumbo about the number 7


7 represents perfection and is the sign of God,divine worship,completions,obedience and rest.The "prince" of Bible numbers,it is used 562 times,including its derivatives (e.g seventh,sevens).(See Genesis 2:1-4,Psalm 119:164,and Exodus 20:8-11 for just a few examples).

The number seven is also the most common in Biblical prophecy,occuring 42 times in Daniel and Revelation alone.In Revelation there are seven churches
seven spirits
seven golden candlesticks
seven stars
seven seals
seven horns
seven eyes
seven angels
seven trumpets
seven thunders
seven thousand slain
seven heads
seven crowns
seven last plagues
seven golden vials
seven mountains
seven kings

Don't forget the seven deadly sins ,now I am even being accused of paganism :rolleyes:

Praised be Jesus and Mary ALWAYS

Medjugorje Vin
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I take it that if I see injustice or harm done, I should raise my concerns by as many multiples of 7 as necessary.

Sorry, Medjurje Vin, I do not see what the number 7 has to do with this issue.

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May 12 2007, 12:21 AM
From the Universe 6th May 2007.


Fr Dominic McKenna the parish priest of Our Lady of Hal church in Camden London knows all too well how easy it is to be the innocent victim of such a claim.



This is the other side of the issue and clearly demonstrates that the Church now has proper procedures in place.

The child protection procedures now used by the church, if implemented properly, should protect innocent people, such as poor Father McKenna, from baseless accusations.

In the case of being aware that individuals are causing damage or distress, and how we act on that knowledge, I feel there is a human weakness, which is probably expoited by the Devil, to stand by and do nothing whilst wrong doing is occurring, thereby commiting sin by "concealment and silence", mentioned by Rose.

This "concealment and silence" could be for all sorts of reasons.

Sometimes I ask myself how I would have behaved if I was in the crowd during Jesus' trial and crucifixion. I don't really like the answer that comes back at me!
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medjugorje vin


Rose of York wrote:

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I take it that if I see injustice or harm done, I should raise my concerns by as many multiples of 7 as necessary.

Sorry, Medjurje Vin, I do not see what the number 7 has to do with this issue.


Rose ,you said regarding the number 7 "I don't quite follow" and I have just posted what I was referring too.john sweeney then more or less accused me of paganism which is why I replied as I did.I am aware that it did not have relevance to the issue,so now I will try to clarify my position.

Under NO circumstances would I ever cover for ANYONE who abused a position of trust,EVER!!!.There are forces at work over which we have no comprehension and therefore to react in a way in which only compounds the sin is equally wrong.

Forgiveness and prudence are two entirely seperate issues.

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Medjugorje Vin


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medjugorje vin
May 12 2007, 10:15 PM
Under NO circumstances would I ever cover for ANYONE who abused a position of trust,EVER!!!.There are forces at work over which we have no comprehension and therefore to react in a way in which only compounds the sin is equally wrong.

Forgiveness and prudence are two entirely seperate issues.

Thanks, medjugorje vin. I confess to having misinterpreted your position on this issue.

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Well Rose you take a reasonable position as always but I have to say that I don't understand the reference to 7 at all except as some superstitious non-Christian reference, nor do I understand the nods and winks approach about priests being "Sons of Mary" and the insinuation that there is much more to this than we understand. Sounds like hocus-pocus to me, designed to hide the fact that a priest sinned gravely and that the Church is dodging its share of the blame.

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medjugorje vin



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Well Rose you take a reasonable position as always but I have to say that I don't understand the reference to 7 at all except as some superstitious non-Christian reference, nor do I understand the nods and winks approach about priests being "Sons of Mary" and the insinuation that there is much more to this than we understand. Sounds like hocus-pocus to me, designed to hide the fact that a priest sinned gravely and that the Church is dodging its share of the blame.

John


Anybody who is well versed on our Faith will find absolutely no conflict with what I have posted.The number 7 is referred to often in Homilies in my Church and "Son's of Mary" is a title that has been given to priests since I don't know when.

It is really strange john ,but the only time I ever see you enter into a discussion with real fervour is when it is in relation to a bit of Catholic bashing.As for it all being hocus-pocus do you not believe in the supernatural aspect of our Faith?

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Any member who wishes to discuss the religious signicance of numbers, can start a new discussion.

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medjugorje vin
May 13 2007, 10:13 AM
It is really strange john ,but the only time I ever see you enter into a discussion with real fervour is when it is in relation to a bit of Catholic bashing.

I get hot under the collar about persons who have authority in the Church, who have covered up abuse, of any form, not only against children. My anger is directed at those who damage The Church. That does not make me a Catholic-basher.
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medjugorje vin


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(medjugorje vin @ May 13 2007, 10:13 AM)
It is really strange john ,but the only time I ever see you enter into a discussion with real fervour is when it is in relation to a bit of Catholic bashing. 


I get hot under the collar about persons who have authority in the Church, who have covered up abuse, of any form, not only against children. My anger is directed at those who damage The Church. That does not make me a Catholic-basher.


Rose,I was not referring to you and I was not referring to those who are angry at the damage this type of thing does to our Church and Faith.Believe me I share that anger with everyone else,what I am referring to is those that jump on the bandwagon while hiding behind a cloak of indignation,but in reality are using the situation to Catholic bash.

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tomais

Have I really read two- " hocus-pocus" on a Cathilic Forum?
Yes I have; and the writings have been on Catholic bashing!
Sad irony here- why was this phrase allowed?
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May 13 2007, 03:44 PM
Have I really read two- " hocus-pocus" on a Cathilic Forum?
Yes I have; and the writings have been on Catholic bashing!
Sad irony here- why was this phrase allowed?

tomais, ask a moderator, by private message, and we might tell you.
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Tomais, you're not stuck in that myth about it being a corruption of "hoc est enim ...", are you?
That was debunked years ago.
It's a meaningless phrase which,
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is nowadays applied to anything, speech or action, that’s designed to stop you seeing what the politician or salesman is really up to or what’s actually happening
I would have thought that we Catholics have more to worry us than a meaningless jingle.
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