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| Glasgow Trial; Priest's role | |
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| Topic Started: Saturday, 5. May 2007, 20:51 (1,356 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Saturday, 5. May 2007, 20:51 Post #1 |
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When I raised the subject of the murder of this young Polish girl before, the administrators locked the subject on the basis that the matter was sub-judice. I respected this, of course, and fully understood the concerns although I have to say that in law I thought the decision over-cautious. Whatever, the trial is over, sentencing of the murderer has taken place and the priest involved has been convicted of perjury and will be sentenced next week. My original question remains: how did this individual survive for so long in the priesthood and how is it only now that the Church is demanding his resignation? John |
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| nelly k | Sunday, 6. May 2007, 22:35 Post #2 |
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John, your right to raise this, at the moment ,living inScotland being a Catholic, it being in the press constantly , it is really difficult. Polish Nationals and Polish clergy are all having a go, you would think there is no crime in Poland, there is a programme on tomorrow night Frontline Scotland, about the case, the Priest is back in Court Tomorrow, I am so very dissapionted and sadened by all this, it is hard to think as a Christian/Catholic about all involved, nelly |
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| Eve | Sunday, 6. May 2007, 22:39 Post #3 |
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John we took advice from a professional journalist. He said we were correct in closing the discussion for the duration of the trial. Who was to know whether a parishioner of Father Nugent would have posted something on here, that would influence the jury. If we had been seen to be in contempt, it would have been the forum owners and Admins that would have heard from the Court Service. It would be best if nobody posts on this matter until after Father Nugent has been sentenced. I will contact the journalist, for advice. We do not want to stifle discussion about the manner in which bishops should deal with complaints but for the time being we are exercising caution. |
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| tomais | Monday, 7. May 2007, 11:13 Post #4 |
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Eve caution has been suggested; now have a look at the Scottish press; red tops and broad sheets.Doing so will give you a background as to how to treat submissions here after Tuesday. See Scotsman today and Katie Grants piece; Katie is a well connected English Catholic journalist who has lived up here for some while. Also has braodcaste on radio. She is approacable for an opinion. Kind regards tomais |
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| Eve | Monday, 7. May 2007, 14:10 Post #5 |
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I gather that tomorrow's hearing will be purely for sentencing. Can any of the Scots confirm no evidence will be heard? |
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| Em. | Monday, 7. May 2007, 15:19 Post #6 |
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I also read the Scotisman daily. It is a sad story, I also think that the papers did much of it because he was a Catholic priest. |
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| nelly k | Monday, 7. May 2007, 17:51 Post #7 |
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Eve Ive been trying to find out what happened today... but cant find anything... there may be something on the Scttish news to night. There were two issues in question. 1 Did the Priest lie about their Sexual/intimate relationship 2 Did he lie about the knowledge of the trap door outside the Confessional where the young womans body was found. It could be either one of these? It is a pity that we can not access the Article reffered to by Tomias, Katie Grant sometimes gets on my nerves but I look forward to her piece, on this case , she has I belive done some justice to the young woman in question, who canot speak now. We have a Priest and a Maried Man , both who should hang there heads in shame...nelly |
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| nelly k | Monday, 7. May 2007, 17:59 Post #8 |
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The Parish at the Center of the Murder in Glasgow I belive was and is full of good people with good intentions , but it seems the Priest was not fit to uphold his Pastoral duties and the Church was a free for all, the Man from the Fishes and Loaves organisation that used the Church for the Homless introduced Peter Tobin to the Priest and this very manipulative dangerous Man was taken in , and acted as unofficial Caretaker, he was trusted and no checks were done... he then went onto Murder... checks need done on all working within Parishes... including Priests... ... May be John is right, nelly |
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| medjugorje vin | Monday, 7. May 2007, 18:19 Post #9 |
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Father Gerry Nugent,63,is due back in court on Tuesday after being found guilty of contempt of court.During the trial ,defence QC Donald Findlay suggested that Father Gerry might have had a hand in Angelika's death.After giving contradictory or evasive answers when quizzed by Mr Findlay,judge Lord Menzies ruled the priest was in contempt of court.This finding was not witnessed by the jury and could not be reported until now for legal reasons. ----------------------------------------------------- For those of you who who don't know the background to this case.Donald Findlay QC is well known for his anti-Catholic stance.He had to resign a few years ago from his post at Rangers Football Club after being allegedly caught on camera singing sectarian songs ,on stage,at a supporters event. It is now becoming very apparent,literally by the hour,that Peter Tobin has been a serial sexual predator for many years ,and had just been released from prison in 2004 after spending 10 yrs of a 14 yr sentence for the drugging and raping of two teenage girls in Portsmouth in 1994.You have not heard the last of this man's evil as DNA profiling is now being done on a number of unsolved murder cases throughout the UK. Everything I have posted is already in the public domain. Praised be Jesus and Mary ALWAYS Medjugorje Vin |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 7. May 2007, 19:35 Post #10 |
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I have read complaints, and heard them from my fellow parishioners, about Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion being subject to police checks. Some say it is political correctness gone made, some just say it is "going over the top", checks should only be made on people working with children. EMHCs and SVP members go, alone, into the homes of vulnerable adults as well as children. Handymen potter in churches, when people call in alone to pray. We now know what harm can be done by any parish worker, who has not been checked. Any sexual predator can introduce him or herself to a parish priest, and say "I will help the parish in any way I am able." Who checks up on whether these people have dubious pasts? Come to think of it, a person who is familiar with Mass but is not and never has been a Catholic could get a role in a parish and none would be any the wiser. Gullible people assume people trusted by the priest and committee are all right. Well, who is to know whether the priest and committee are all right? Time to get our act together! Oh, dear, police checks cost the parish a few quid. What price do we put on life and human safety? |
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| Timothy | Monday, 7. May 2007, 20:23 Post #11 |
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I totally agree It is necessary to prevent future abuse and to restore the trust and image of the Church. However having said that, when people do put themselves forward to be of assistance in a parish, many people are put off by agreeing to let a Police check be done of them. They are put off not because they have anything to hide, but that they are not trusted and feel people should be delighted that they are offering to help, not be treating them like a criminal. Those are views I have heard from people, and they are views which are preventing many people from offering their service to the Church. Obviously the answer is not to end Police checks, but it is a concern and it does explain why in many parish's many of the "lay ministries" as they liked to be called are in desperate need of volunteers. |
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"An adult faith does not follow the waves of fashion and the latest novelty." "Having a clear faith, according to the credo of the church, is often labelled as fundamentalism." Pope Benedict XVI | |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 7. May 2007, 20:34 Post #12 |
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Sorry, Timothy, I find that attitude pathetic. They are not being treated like criminals. The parish priest is obtaining an assurance that he is not taking on people who have been been found guilty of crimes against the person. If they really want to help people, they will complete the form which will be treated in confidence. The RAF made enquiries about me, even tried to find out if I had "inappropriate relationships" with married men or female. Such scandalous activities would leave persons vulnerable to blackmail. I looked upon my Positive Vetting as a badge of honour. It was nice to be trusted not to be a traitor. To this day I am happily smug about it. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 7. May 2007, 20:38 Post #13 |
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Back to the subject. A man phones the priest, says "Father the doctor say Mother will not last the night." The priest does not turn up. The son goes to the Presbytery. The priest is blind drunk. The son drives to the next parish, and their priest goes to the death bed. Over a period of years there would, surely, be many such incidents. Some people must have knocked on the presbytery door in times of crisis, and been greeted by a priest who was drunk and incapable. Did no neighbouring priests alert the bishop? Did no parishioners complain? The Charity Commission insist charities have well publicised, effective complaints procedures. If those procedures are not used properly, by the charity, the Commission can wade in. Every Church is supposed to display the procedure in a prominent place. |
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| Deleted User | Monday, 7. May 2007, 21:05 Post #14 |
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It is true that Donald Findlay is a well -known anti-Catholic with form. However, this is not relevant to the case. Nothing he said has been disputed and the public record is there for all to see. More of this when sentencing has taken place, in deference to Eve's unease , but I do think that the Cardinal and Archbishop Conti might consider concentrating for at least a little while on whether they have their own house in order before lecturing wider society on various national and international concerns of theirs. John |
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| medjugorje vin | Monday, 7. May 2007, 21:43 Post #15 |
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Rose of York wrote:
Rose, I couldn't agree with you more,I would further add that those who wish to honour Our Father in Heaven by doing His work here on earth could surely find it to pay for their own disclosure check.There are far to many lukewarm Catholics who are continually asking what their priest and parish can do for them rather than asking what they could do for their priest and parish. I have said it often ,but people better start waking up to what is going on around them. Praised be Jesus and Mary ALWAYS Medjugorje Vin |
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